Worries About Stealing, etc

Discussion in 'Virus Information' started by David Kaye, Apr 8, 2010.

  1. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    Notice the play on words? Nothing of HIS is stolen, but he fails to
    mention that content HE'S INCLUDED came from others and the embedded
    signatures that are fakes, put there by the real authors prove he's
    "Stolen" the code he claims as HIS.
     
    Leythos, Apr 10, 2010
    #21
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  2. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    This is from a thread in July 2009, it clearly shows that Butts pirated
    Stuarts work and included it in his "batch" file that butts takes credit
    for. You can search Usenet archives for this if you want to follow the
    thread.

    "
    From Leythos:
    ....
    For those that don't know, Stuart inserted the obatssrsghde.exe marker
    into his batch file to prove, to the community, that PCBUTTS1 / The Real
    Truth MVP is actually a lying thief, and PCBUTTS admitted in his own
    post that he created the marker and claimed to know what it was - even
    claimed to have submitted the malware to anti-virus vendors, but the
    joke was on him, Stuart told everyone in the community about it BEFORE
    it appeared in PCBUTTS1 download.... There is no actual file named
    obatssrsghde.exe in the malware community, it was a ruse.

    The key is in the spelling:

    obatssrsghde.exe
    pcbuttsthief

    If you change (add) 1 character to each letter you will see that
    "obatssrsghde" is actually the marker "pcbuttsthief" - proving that
    PCBUTTS1 is a thief.

    Are there other markers - YES, does PCBUTTS1 know about them - know,
    they've been there for a long time, but this is the most obvious one.

    Face it Chris/PCBUTTS1/TRT, you've exposed yourself in public.
    "
     
    Leythos, Apr 10, 2010
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  3. From: "Leythos" <>




    | This is from a thread in July 2009, it clearly shows that Butts pirated
    | Stuarts work and included it in his "batch" file that butts takes credit
    | for. You can search Usenet archives for this if you want to follow the
    | thread.


    Public Marker #1
    ---------------------

    :S949n
    IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\application data\seilhturtlaereht.inf"

    seilhturtlaereht.inf ==> Drop the .INF

    seilhturtlaereht ==> theealtruthlies

    Public Marker #2
    ---------------------

    IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" echo "%UserProfile%\local
    settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe"
    IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" echo "%UserProfile%\local
    settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe">>remove-it.txt

    The file; "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" is a fabrication. It does
    not exist.

    It, obatssrsghde.exe, is actually a file name in code.

    obatssrsghde.exe ==> drop .EXE

    obatssrsghde

    increase character by 1 ==> pcbuttsthief
     
    David H. Lipman, Apr 10, 2010
    #23
  4. David Kaye

    Virus Guy Guest

    Someone answer me this:

    Is any of this contentious code or scripts or what-ever, is any of it
    being made available for a price? Is anyone charging money for it? Or
    is it given away for free as public service in the fight against
    malware?
    That depends on two things:

    a) is the creation (code, etc) acting as a source of income by
    any of the so-called authors?

    b) do any of the so-called authors make their real identity
    fully and clearly visible to the end user of the
    creative work - regardless if this work is given away
    for free or is sold to the end user.

    Authorship and/or correct attribution of a creative work is important.
    But most of this thread that deals with the idea of people taking each
    other to court becomes fruitless if nobody is selling the work or
    gaining any revenue from it.

    And if the real identities of the people that claim to have created
    these works are not plainly visible to end users, then nobody can claim
    that their recognition is being stolen from them if they don't
    publically acknowledge their creative role.

    Full-Quoter The Real Truth MVP top-poasted:
    Has Leythos admitted to being an author of any of this code yet?

    Do we know who he is?
     
    Virus Guy, Apr 11, 2010
    #24
  5. David Kaye

    JD Guest

    The Real Truth MVP is not listed on the MVP list:

    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/


    The web page http://www.ms-mvp.org/ uses Godaddy's stealth
    frame-redirection to redirect you to:
    http://pcbutts1.com/downloads/tools/tools.htm


    Check out “pcbutts” using your favorite search engine.


    Can you really trust someone like this? Do you really want to download
    his software and/or follow his advice?


    http://tekrider.net/usenet/pcbutts.php


    Enough said. If you want to use his crap-ware, go for it. Stop trying to
    justify his actions.
     
    JD, Apr 11, 2010
    #25
  6. David Kaye

    Virus Guy Guest

    That doesn't answer my question, nor did I raise that particular issue
    at all.
    Why are you trying to dodge my questions?

    I asked two very clear questions. Why are you dodging them?

    a) Are these works offered for sale?

    b) Do the authors clearly identify themselves to end users?
     
    Virus Guy, Apr 11, 2010
    #26
  7. From: "Virus Guy" <>

    < snip >

    | Has Leythos admitted to being an author of any of this code yet?

    No, He is defending IP rights.

    | Do we know who he is?

    Yes, I do !
     
    David H. Lipman, Apr 11, 2010
    #27
  8. From: "Virus Guy" <>


    | a) Are these works offered for sale?

    No, they do not have to be.

    | b) Do the authors clearly identify themselves to end users?

    Yes, they have.

    Now stop being an argumentative idiot.
     
    David H. Lipman, Apr 11, 2010
    #28
  9. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    No, Copyright does not require anything that you suggest, copyright is
    assumed as soon as you create the work. The authors identity is attached
    in clear form to the work that was pirated and removed by PCButts1.
     
    Leythos, Apr 11, 2010
    #29
  10. David Kaye

    Virus Guy Guest

    Please post the names of the authors of the code or scripts in question.

    If their names are already public knowledge (either in the "help -
    about" section of the software, or in PTO or legal copyright documents,
    or on the website that hosts the software) then you should have no
    problem stating the author names as I request in your next reply to me.
     
    Virus Guy, Apr 11, 2010
    #30
  11. No, all of my software listed on http://www.ms-mvp.org/ is free and I don't
    ask for donations.
    See above
    No, it is not required. I do however have certain code marking in my free
    stuff that I use as proof of ownership to my ISP when the trolls try to file
    fraudulent DMCA complaints. Yes my company name and address is listed, as
    required by law on the products I do sell.
    That's part of the reason we are here. Leythos is not the author of
    anything. He is jealous and has self appointed himself as the newsgroup
    ethics police.


    --
    The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/
    *WARNING* Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below.
    They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste
    your time.
    David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos.
     
    The Real Truth MVP, Apr 11, 2010
    #31
  12. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    You can contact the author yourself. You can find the author by
    searching for PCBUTTS1 THIEF in googl groups threads, it's easy enough
    if you're not just trolling.
     
    Leythos, Apr 11, 2010
    #32
  13. David Kaye

    MEB Guest


    Stating specific names is not necessary nor required by Law anywhere,
    particularly to YOU as you have no legal authority in any form and it is
    clear your intent is to argue legal nonsense, just as you always do.

    IF the subject party can, by conclusive proof, show that *they* are the
    original creator, the Law protects the artistic license, copyright, and
    applicable other, from the moment the FACT occurred [save under
    extremely limited circumstances wherein other might apply] REGARDLESS of
    whether that party has done so in their TRUE name or not. Usage of a
    "nom de guerre" would not necessarily preclude legal right to the work.

    YOU, OTOH, being the party stealing the work, would be without defense
    should the creator/owner chose to proceed against you civilly, OR should
    it fall into the criminal Law area wherein any prosecutor of competent
    jurisdiction might take issue.
    Beyond that, you, as thief, would also be a perfect subject for
    ridicule, exposure, and whatever else others chose to leverage against you.

    --
    MEB
    http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
    Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
    http://peoplescounsel.org
    The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
    ___---
     
    MEB, Apr 11, 2010
    #33
  14. David Kaye

    Virus Guy Guest

    This code or scripts or what-ever it is, it's claimed to be available
    from 2 sources. You and someone else (the someone else being perhaps a
    single person, or a group of people - I don't know).

    Putting aside the issue of whether or not this is the exact same code or
    who is the second party in this matter, have they ever offered their
    version of it for sale?
    I wasn't making the point that author identification was required in any
    sense for software to be made available for public use.

    The argument being made in this thread is that when code is "stolen" and
    then incorporated into another product, that the theft breaks the
    authorship trail, and the rightful authors are not properly acknowledged
    for their work.

    If, however, the authors never reveal themselves in the first place (ie
    - if they remain anonymous) then how can it be said that the real
    author(s) are harmed by the lack of proper acknowledgement?
    To my recollection, he certainly has never admitted what role he has in
    this software (is it Malware Bytes? Is that what we're talking about?).
     
    Virus Guy, Apr 11, 2010
    #34
  15. David Kaye

    Virus Guy Guest

    I don't want to contact the author. I just want to know who he is.

    Because a lot is being said about the harm he is suffering because
    others are stealing his code.

    So if he is so proud of his code, if his code is so good that it
    deserves proper attribution, then he must identify himself somehow so
    that end users can properly acknowledge his talent and efforts.

    You continue to situate yourself on the fence - not acknowledging or
    denying if you know who the authors are.

    I can only assume that since nobody else has bothered to post the names
    of these authors, that in reality he / they do not make themselves
    known, so no case can really be put forward that they are being harmed
    by the lack of proper attribution.

    You criticize The Real Truth / PC Butts for not properly attributing the
    authorship this so-called stolen code.

    But you are also not providing that same information.

    So you are no different than Butts in that regard.
     
    Virus Guy, Apr 11, 2010
    #35
  16. David Kaye

    Virus Guy Guest

    I never said that it was.

    I'm simply asking who is the other claimed author of this contentious
    code.

    Most of this thread deals with the injustice or harm that comes from
    stealing or using other people's code without giving proper attribution
    or recognition.

    So I'm asking who exactly should be given that attribution or
    recognition *if* indeed we are dealing with improper code usage.
     
    Virus Guy, Apr 11, 2010
    #36
  17. There is no other author. I am the only author. That is why, and I keep
    saying this, nobody has come forward to dispute my claim except the trolls
    who are joined at the hip and only have one goal in mind. There was 1 person
    who tried to steal/copy my software but I quickly put a stop to it by
    changing my software. His name was Stuart Saunders or something like that. I
    made it too difficult for him to copy and produce a working copy that he
    stopped. If you want proof. I stopped updating the online version of my
    Remove-it software last year in September 09. The real thief
    http://www.internetinspiration.co.uk/roguefix.htm coincidentally has not
    made a single update to his. If I make an update two weeks later his will
    probably get updated. If you look here you will see the main differences
    between both http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/Features.htm. Just so you
    know my Remove-it software has been repackaged under a different name and is
    now sold on my other website. A free version is also available, it supports
    Windows 2000 thru Windows 7 32 & 64 bit. I posted about what's new back in
    January of course the trolls did not reply to it because they could not
    believe it. They have since forgot about it and I do not dare say the name
    of it or provide a link to it.


    --
    The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/
    *WARNING* Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below.
    They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste
    your time.
    David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos.
     
    The Real Truth MVP, Apr 11, 2010
    #37
  18. From: "Virus Guy" <>


    | I don't want to contact the author. I just want to know who he is.

    | Because a lot is being said about the harm he is suffering because
    | others are stealing his code.

    | So if he is so proud of his code, if his code is so good that it
    | deserves proper attribution, then he must identify himself somehow so
    | that end users can properly acknowledge his talent and efforts.

    | You continue to situate yourself on the fence - not acknowledging or
    | denying if you know who the authors are.

    | I can only assume that since nobody else has bothered to post the names
    | of these authors, that in reality he / they do not make themselves
    | known, so no case can really be put forward that they are being harmed
    | by the lack of proper attribution.

    | You criticize The Real Truth / PC Butts for not properly attributing the
    | authorship this so-called stolen code.

    | But you are also not providing that same information.

    | So you are no different than Butts in that regard.

    I just posted several names recently in alt.* threads.
    Find it !
     
    David H. Lipman, Apr 11, 2010
    #38
  19. From: "Virus Guy" <>

    "His" reply to you is a complete lie!

    That's why the following was placed in RogueFix and other non-public ones as well.

    Stuart Suanders is not alone. He is one of MANY victims of the salacitious code thief,


    Public Marker #1
    ---------------------

    :S949n
    IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\application data\seilhturtlaereht.inf"

    seilhturtlaereht.inf ==> Drop the .INF

    seilhturtlaereht ==> theealtruthlies

    Public Marker #2
    ---------------------

    IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" echo "%UserProfile%\local
    settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe"
    IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" echo "%UserProfile%\local
    settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe">>remove-it.txt

    The file; "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" is a fabrication. It does
    not exist.

    It, obatssrsghde.exe, is actually a file name in code.

    obatssrsghde.exe ==> drop .EXE

    obatssrsghde

    increase character by 1 ==> pcbuttsthief
     
    David H. Lipman, Apr 11, 2010
    #39
  20. David Kaye

    JD Guest

    Here is the real truth:

    The Real Truth MVP is not listed on the MVP list:

    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/


    The web page http://www.ms-mvp.org/ uses Godaddy's stealth
    frame-redirection to redirect you to:
    http://pcbutts1.com/downloads/tools/tools.htm


    Check out “pcbutts” using your favorite search engine.


    Can you really trust someone like this? Do you really want to download
    his software and/or follow his advice?


    The guy now says he's a woman, well two different women:

    http://tekrider.net/usenet/pcbutts.php

    Virusguy, what is the point you're trying to make? Surely you're not
    trying to convince this newsgroup that PC Butts is actually a person to
    be trusted?

    I doubt you'll agree to anything you see here so don't bother replying
    to me because I'm not going to play your little game anymore. Run some
    of Butts software, lots of luck! :cool:
     
    JD, Apr 11, 2010
    #40
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