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Discussion in 'Virus Information' started by David Kaye, Jul 27, 2010.

  1. David Kaye

    John Slade Guest

    Well it's time you learned.

    John Slade, Aug 5, 2010
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  2. David Kaye

    John Slade Guest

    No that's the point entirely. The word "virus" is
    acceptable to just about everyone except a few anal retentive
    people who love to go around correcting everyone.

    John Slade, Aug 5, 2010
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  3. David Kaye

    John Slade Guest

    LOL. The same thing happens to me. Do you think every
    time a customer does that I tell them, "It's not a virus! It's a
    trojan!" I'll tell them eventually what the malware was that
    caused the problem but I'll never be condescending to them like
    some other "professionals" out there.

    John Slade, Aug 5, 2010
  4. David Kaye

    David Kaye Guest

    Since this is just catty remarks now, can you remove ba.internet from the
    follow-ups? Thanks
    David Kaye, Aug 5, 2010
  5. From: "John Slade" <>

    | They call it that because it's quite common to refer to
    | all malware as viurses. Been this way for decades.

    | It's all a matter of who you're talking to. If the person
    | wants to nitpick even though they know what a person means then
    | what can you do but explain. I've worked for people who are very
    | computer savvy and people who are new to computers. I use all
    | the terms to describe the problem and rarely hear anyone nitpick
    | about using the word "virus" to describe a trojan or worm. It's
    | just acceptable.

    | It seems to anger you on some level. I don't care in
    | the least what they call it, as long as it does the job.

    I'm sorry, just because the "average" person calls all malware a "virus" does not make it
    correct and if you insist on following this train of thought, please do NOT call yourself
    a "professional."
    David H. Lipman, Aug 5, 2010
  6. From: "John Slade" <>

    | Well it's time you learned.

    I've been studying malware since I had to erradicate the "Jerusalem.B" from a Novell 2.11
    network. That was a true file infecting virus. I have been at this long enough to say
    emphatically, YOU need to learn otherwise do NOT call yourself a professional.
    David H. Lipman, Aug 5, 2010
  7. From: "John Slade" <>

    | No that's the point entirely. The word "virus" is
    | acceptable to just about everyone except a few anal retentive
    | people who love to go around correcting everyone.

    Its is ONLY accecpted by the "uneducated" person. The ones who get infected!
    David H. Lipman, Aug 5, 2010
  8. From: "Wolf K" <>

    | On 05/08/2010 17:23, David H. Lipman wrote:
    | [...]

    | Yeah, well,context rules. No matter how carefully people use terminology
    | in their professional lives, words will escape into the wild, and then
    | all bets are off.

    | It's context that determines a word's meaning. In every-day usage,
    | "anti-virus" has come to mean what "anti-malware" means in a
    | professional context. That's just the way it is. The first rule of
    | communication is "Adapt to your audience."

    You can't call all malware a virus just beciuse you use anti virus software. It doesn't
    work that way and is a miconception and misnomer.

    If a majority of people have a misperception of a concept, their majority does not change
    the concept.
    David H. Lipman, Aug 5, 2010
  9. From: "Wolf K" <>

    | Quite true, but I'm not talking about the concept, I'm talking about
    | words. Words refer. What they refer to is governed by context.

    | One of the most difficult things for professionals to accept is that
    | their professional context is, well, limited. Most people aren't
    | professionals, but that doesn't stop them from borrowing professional
    | terms. And of course when they borrow, they change the referents of the
    | terms. You can scold all you like about misperceptions (and I do
    | sympathise, believe me), but the fact is that the terms "anti-virus" and
    | "virus" applied to computers have become generalised in common usage.

    | Fact is that it happens in all professions. Professionals develop
    | special and precise terminology, their work impinges on the rest of us,
    | and we borrow their terms. And immediately fudge, fuzz, and often
    | thoroughly misunderstand the concepts. Most of the time, it makes no
    | practical difference.

    | FWIW, my teeth grate when I hear people use "substitute" for "replace",
    | or "reticent" for "hesitant", or - well, you get the idea. I hope. ;-)

    | Can I stop people form misusing these words. 'Course not.

    True, however one must not lose the opportunity to educate. If you don't, well you have
    given them reason to continue.
    David H. Lipman, Aug 6, 2010
  10. Being wrong is quite common also.
    I don't usually bother to correct non-professionals, although I do
    mention that they are in error when they call non-replicators viruses.
    In your case, being a "professional" you should know better. That you
    refuse to accept the facts is just your personality getting in the way
    of your professionalism.
    Not really, it angers me when they call viruses malware - but that's
    another story that you would not be interested in.
    What job?

    If you use an antimalware application to remove viruses, you can be
    giving a still infested machine back to your customer. I know that you
    don't care, and it is alright with me if you insist on continuing to be
    wrong, but calling yourself a professional is over the top.

    I won't bother to help you to understand the importance of the
    difference anymore since you refuse to learn.
    FromTheRafters, Aug 6, 2010
  11. David Kaye

    John Slade Guest

    Oh I've heard the terms before, it's just that most people I
    know like electricians and electrical engineers call them
    soldering irons, even the small ones.
    I'm talking about the whole range of problems. I've seen
    many different kinds of problems.
    Provided it's a bad capacitor. But these days a lot of MB
    capacitors are solid core and you have to test. Most of the
    newer systems I see have both acid core and solid core capacitors.
    I don't feel good about repairing an old motherboard that
    already has leaking capacitors. Chances are something else is
    going to go wrong with it. That's why I would rather get a new
    motherboard and reinstall drivers. But you MUST be talking about
    ancient times when you say it's cheaper to replace capacitors.
    You see I go to people's houses and repair systems in my
    home shop. So I would not go to someone's house and start
    soldering. You may want to waste time and that's fine but I like
    to leave the customer with something that will be working for a
    while rather than leave them with a MB that's already going south.
    How long ago was this? What kinds of computers and
    motherboards were you repairing?
    Yea but I started talking about components because it's
    not just capacitors that go bad. You have surface mount chips
    that go bad and they are a real pain in the ass to replace, if
    you can find the chip. This is the main reason I don't see many
    computer repair people actually get a soldering iron and go to
    work on a component. It's mainly needed when someone has really
    old stuff and it's very hard to find a replacement MB or card.
    This is very rare.
    It's a component in a computer and that's what I repair.
    You have got to be kidding. Fixing a teeny tiny component
    on a sound card is easier than getting a new one and installing
    the drivers? Do you actually repair a lot of new sound cards
    these days? If so, what was the last sound card you repaired?
    That's me, I pass it off to the company that made it. I let
    them do the refurbishing work. I don't refurbish parts. I let
    the customer weigh costs and sometimes it just cheaper to let
    the vendor do repairs or buy a new laptop. Laptops are pretty
    cheap now. Lots of people go with a new one.

    John Slade, Aug 6, 2010
  12. That's true, and it is worth mentioning to people when they misuse
    terminology. It is not really worthwhile to *insist* that the masses use
    terms correctly.

    ....but a professional should be professional.
    I do, and the average Joe may or may not even cause me to just mention
    that there *is* a difference. A professional should be more receptive to
    gaining knowledge.
    FromTheRafters, Aug 6, 2010
  13. ....and ignorant people will still call themselves professionals I

    Talk about anal.
    FromTheRafters, Aug 6, 2010
  14. It's not worth it. They don't care, and might not even be capable of
    understanding the difference.
    That's a good idea, it doesn't pay to alienate customers.
    FromTheRafters, Aug 6, 2010
  15. It's not *right*, but whatcha gonna do - dinner table conversation is
    different than technical conversation.
    Only if they did indeed target viruses. If they couldn't detect at least
    most existing viruses, they would be laughed out of business.

    Maybe you would be so kind as to back that claim up with an example? To
    the best of my knowledge, anti-malware programs that now incorporate an
    antivirus engine don't bother to change the name to reflect that change.
    Ad-Aware and The Cleaner have added the ability to detect viruses to
    their programs IIRC even MBAM has detection for some viruses. Every *AV*
    program I can think of not only *detect* and *identify* viruses, but
    also can *remove* them (using a VDL). Some years ago they started to try
    to cover non-replicating malware as well (might as well, they're already
    hooked into the system anyway).

    It's wrongheaded in a way, there are better ways to avoid most
    non-replicators (the exception being software exploit based malware). It
    is the worms and viruses that get around otherwise best practices.
    FromTheRafters, Aug 6, 2010
  16. [...]
    Acid core capacitors? this more dinner table conversation?
    FromTheRafters, Aug 6, 2010
  17. From: "FromTheRafters" <>

    | [...]

    | Acid core capacitors?

    | this more dinner table conversation?

    G-d I missed this.

    "...acid core and solid core capacitors..." it is as funny as the furniture polish on the
    feather to claen the dust out of the computer.

    I guess it is easier to write acid then electrolytic.
    David H. Lipman, Aug 6, 2010
  18. David Kaye

    John Slade Guest

    What makes me a professional is knowing what I'm
    doing. Remember this whole thing started out because someone
    wasn't "professional" enough to think of backing up so they
    won't lose data by clearing restore points.

    John Slade, Aug 6, 2010
  19. David Kaye

    John Slade Guest

    Both are correct, you call yourself a professional and you
    don't know that many "wet" capacitors use acid electrolytes?

    John Slade, Aug 6, 2010
  20. From: "John Slade" <>

    | Both are correct, you call yourself a professional and you
    | don't know that many "wet" capacitors use acid electrolytes?
    David H. Lipman, Aug 6, 2010
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