Why won't MBAM detect Spector Pro?

Discussion in 'Spyware' started by G. Morgan, Jun 14, 2011.

  1. G. Morgan

    G. Morgan Guest

    Why won't MBAM detect Spector Pro?

    I know two of you that would know. What's the deal?
     
    G. Morgan, Jun 14, 2011
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  2. G. Morgan

    G. Morgan Guest

    never mind. I canceled it, but I guess it's already out there.
     
    G. Morgan, Jun 14, 2011
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    Jagg Guest

    You can onbly cancel posts if your ISP supports it and most don't. :)
     
    Jagg, Jun 14, 2011
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    VanguardLH Guest

    Eternal-September, the newsgroup provider used by Morgan, says they do
    honor cancels but under the conditions that the poster be using the same
    ES account through which they made the original post. That they support
    cancels doesn't mean the NNTP client issues it correctly but the process
    is rather simple and it would have to be a really dumb or lazy
    programmer of the NNTP client that doesn't know how to issue posts to
    the control.cancel newsgroup with the appropriate content to *request* a
    cancel.

    I believe cancels are not peered between NNTP servers. That's because
    the poster must submit the cancel to the same NNTP server to which they
    submitted the original post.

    The FAQ at Eternal-September is incredibly sparse and does not mention
    support or lack thereof for cancel requests. Here's what I found under
    their Terms Of Use (rather than under their FAQ):

    _No control messages_

    No control messages may be posted through news.eternal-september.org
    with the following exceptions:

    1. Cancel and supersede messages for your own articles that have been
    posted through Eternal-September
    2. newgroup and rmgroup control messages for de.alt.*

    *You should familiar with de.alt.admin conventions and proceedings*

    3. Control messages to free.*

    So it appears ES does support cancels submitted to their NNTP server
    against posts from the SAME poster that also submitted the original post
    through their NNTP server.

    Just because a particular NNTP server honors cancels doesn't mean your
    article will disappear from other NNTP servers. Peering is usually very
    quick. By the time you navigate the menus in your NNTP client to figure
    out how to submit a cancel, your original post has probably already been
    peered to other NNTP servers. That is, you'll always be late in getting
    a cancel submitted. If a post disappears from the NNTP server (it's no
    longer in either the overview or article databases), it might also
    disappear from a peered NNTP server but don't count on it. Even if the
    peering NNTP servers remove the deleted post, there are many web-to-NNTP
    gateways (often for forums leeching from Usenet to provide a webnews-
    for-boobs interface to Usenet) that archive the posts and which will
    retain your article regarding of you cancelling it from the NNTP server
    that you used to add your post.

    If you look at posts submitted through ES, there is a Cancel-Lock
    header. This is encoded to the poster, their account, and perhaps the
    server. You cannot cancel Morgan's post because you don't have the
    login credentials needed to logon under that account. When Morgon logs
    into the ES server and submits the cancel, that header gets used to
    qualify that he has permission to cancel his post. If cancels are not
    working to remove your posts from their NNTP server, contact them to
    report the problem as they claim to support cancels.

    I no longer have an ES account so I cannot logon there and download
    their control.cancel newsgroup. I would doubt it's peered between NNTP
    servers as the cancels target the same NNTP server as through which the
    original post was submitted. Since Morgan issued a cancel, and since he
    logs onto his ES account with his NNTP client, he can go look at the
    control.cancel newsgroup to see if his cancel request got there.

    Might work, might not. If it works on your NNTP server doesn't mean
    your post disappears elsewhere.
     
    VanguardLH, Jun 14, 2011
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