Virus/adware/spyware -- is there all-in-one protection in one program?

Discussion in 'Virus Information' started by John Blaustein, Jun 21, 2004.

  1. I refer the honourable gentleman to
    http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2001060516275506

    Note the suggested solutions for intermittent problems are to disable NAV,
    get or send the email that's causing the problem, then re-enable NAV.

    After a few such dances (and the horrendous piles of duplicated and/or lost
    emails generated), it becomes clear that you're not all that interested in
    re-enabling NAV scanning of email.

    Alun.
    ~~~~
     
    Alun Jones [MSFT], Jun 25, 2004
    #81
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  2. What I had in mind is: reboot, login as administrator, and clean up the
    infected account. Unless I'm mistaken, if the infected account cannot
    change any of the files used by the administrator account, it's a better
    starting point for cleanup than a situation where a virus can be started
    at logon and stop tentatives to clean it up.
     
    Lionel Fourquaux, Jun 26, 2004
    #82
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  3. Thanks.
     
    Lionel Fourquaux, Jun 26, 2004
    #83
  4. John Blaustein

    Jason Wade Guest

    It depends on the malware in question. Some ma1war3 use privelege
    elevation exploits to become admin or system processes.

    Just because a mere user account was infected does not mean that
    c:\windows\explorer.exe hasn't been renamed to explorer.bck and
    spawnVirEvRy2sec.exe is not now explorer.exe.
     
    Jason Wade, Jun 26, 2004
    #84
  5. John Blaustein

    Jason Wade Guest

    Thanks!
     
    Jason Wade, Jun 26, 2004
    #85
  6. That's as long as the malware plays by the rules, which is an
    assumption I'd not make ;-)
    It's the same thing, unless the malware coder chose not to push
    through the tissue-paper that separates one account for another.

    If I knew I was hunting a squirrel, I'd leave the big gun at home and
    take something easier to carry. But if wandering into the wilds with
    no idea what I'd find (or what would find me), I'd go loaded for bear.

    How do you know - in advance - that all you'll find is a squirrel?


    No, perfection is not an entrance requirement.
    We'll settle for integrity and humility
     
    cquirke (MVP Win9x), Jun 26, 2004
    #86
  7. I don't see how a malicious program could circumvent the filesystem
    security, unless you mean it'll exploit some local vulnerability.
     
    Lionel Fourquaux, Jun 26, 2004
    #87
  8. excellent analogy. Thank you.
     
    Bullwinkel J. Moose, Jun 27, 2004
    #88
  9. John Blaustein

    Chek Guest

    Unless someone is working on one now, as far as I know there is no
    all-in-one.
    I also think that such a program may not be that desirable.
    One of the strengths of the current AdAware/Spybot/CWShredder/About
    Buster/HiJack This
    methods is that all use different approaches to the problem.
    I suspect this variety would be lacking in a standalone app. and might be a
    weakness.
    Just my opinion
    Chek
     
    Chek, Aug 23, 2004
    #89
  10. John Blaustein

    Aquazur-Dra Guest

    not using it but but have a look at

    http://redirect.zonelabs.com/redirect/route?oem=1012&prod=0&mode=1&app=incli
    ent&lang=en&date=-86400&link_id=1&dest=about_addl_security
     
    Aquazur-Dra, Aug 24, 2004
    #90
  11. John Blaustein

    Michael Guest

    I don't know of any tool that detects spyware, viruses, worms, and
    trojans reliably. It would be ungodly developing signatures for this
    hypothetical program.
    What would be nice is a batch file that uses command line spyware and
    virus scanners, then executes the file if it's safe.
    Definitely that's true. Having multiple signatures in different
    programs means less stuff slips by. I am currently using NOD32, AVG,
    Bitdefender, and TDS-3. I'd say for the average home user that two
    spyware detectors plus antivirus is decent, unless you Kazaa.

    michael
     
    Michael, Aug 24, 2004
    #91
  12. John Blaustein

    madmax Guest

    A multi-layered defence is best.What is missed by one is caught by
    another.Programs such as Spybot Search+Destroy and SpywareGuard have a
    "resident" that scans for any changes that are made and will ask if they
    should be allowed or blocked.
    I have links and info for these and more on my site.
    -max

    --
    To help you stay safe see: http://www.geocities.com/maxpro4u/madmax.html
    This message is virus free as far as I can tell.
    Change nomail.afraid.org to neo.rr.com so you can reply
    (nomail.afraid.org has been set up specifically for
    use in Usenet. Feel free to use it yourself.)
     
    madmax, Aug 26, 2004
    #92
  13. Well, just like in real life with viruses, some people only give a damn about
    themselves. In a recent survey, Of 307 sexually active women with HIV, nearly
    half, 144 had engaged in unsafe sex within the previous 12 months.
    Eventually, you'll figure out how to lock down your machine and stop anything
    before it gets in. No need to worry about people out there who wish to remain
    ignorant.

    Here's what I use (and even though I get hit, nothing gets in):

    XP Pro with SP2 (new CD)
    McAfee VirusScan
    McAfee Firewall
    Microsft AntiSpyware
    SpywareBlaster
    Spybot
    CWShedder
    Hardware Firewall
    Various online antiVirus and spyware scanners just to make sure that new
    unknown threats aren't getting in.
     
    =?Utf-8?B?dWdnYWJ1Z2dh?=, Feb 28, 2005
    #93
  14. Shenan:
    I, too, do nearly ALL these things you've taken great care to outline in
    your posting.. Last October, while updating Norton religiously, I got the
    Blaster worm on one home pc and THEN, just o P*** me off, the other one
    contracted a Backdoor Trojan! As the Norton rep told me way back then, "we
    don't do trojans".. I exploded. All that money and you DON'T DO TROJANS?!
    Okay, so I don't do Norton anymore then!

    I went to Trend Micro's PC-CILLIN Internet Security program, once I got rid
    of the little nasties [and lost every darn think I had on both pc's in the
    process of cleaning up] -- it's the ONLY AV program that could identify the
    trojan and get rid of it, out of many that I tried. It does spyware too..
    double bonus. I also run SpyBot, it never catches anything anymore, because
    PC-cillin has already gotten to it first - but I run it anyway just to be
    sure. I have 6 computers scattered around town [mom, sis's, and 3 of my own]
    so I have to have a dependable set of programs to keep them safe. As an AV
    backup, I'm using the free AVAST! antivirus software, too - it's also on duty
    and never catches anything, due to PC-cillin being such a bulldog.

    SO.. to make a long story short[er].. What you've outlined in your posting
    is EXCELLENT ADVICE -- well-put, with a sense of humor to boot! Hey
    People..!! You need to print this advice and adopt it as your religion!!
    Because if you think ANY of these hackers who write these trojans and other
    viruses are EVER gonna back off, you are VERY much mistaken. It's only gonna
    get worse every hour of every day. It is a pain in the butt, but if you love
    using your pc, and hate spending $$$$$$ to get it fixed every time it gets
    attacked, these protective programs are absolutely NECESSARY. Set the
    programs to update automatically, and you'll not even know it's doing its job!

    THANK YOU, for taking the time to put all these recommendations in writing
    for those who don't have a clue, or those who are looking for a clue! I have
    never seen it spelled out anywhere so well. Bless you for caring! And let's
    hope and pray that some of the people reading this will install and eternally
    update their pc's, so that the rest of us don't keep getting infected by
    them! JUST DO IT, people.. you'll not regret taking the time. ..Sharon..
     
    =?Utf-8?B?U2hhcm9u?=, Aug 21, 2005
    #94
  15. I have written some pages to get your system clean and keep it that
    way.
    http://home.neo.rr.com/manna4u/
    http://home.neo.rr.com/manna4u/keepingclean.html
    -max
     
    What's in a Name?, Aug 21, 2005
    #95
  16. It does not catch everything.

    While I cannot point (because I am not going to search for it) to an
    example - I assure you - either through 0-day, user mishap or just not
    knowing about it or covering the issue - it doesn't prevent all
    spyware/adware/malware/viruses/trojans/worms that could get to your system.

    There is no all-in-one solution. While there are many multi-function
    applications like that from different vendors - there are reasons that
    someone who specializes in one thing all the time is usually better than
    those who specialize in many things all the time. =)
     
    Shenan Stanley, Aug 27, 2005
    #96
  17. i know a program that is an all in one protection. i have it on my computer.
    its called Panda Platinum Internet Security. if anything bad gets on your
    computer it finds it and gets rid of it. it catches EVERYTHING that tries to
    infect your computer, including trojans. it is an antivirus,an anti spyware,
    a firewall, and it scans your email for spam. Plus it has a program that
    protects against some "unknown" viruses.

    the downside is, of course, the price. it costs around $80. but it
    worth it.
     
    kendall sorenson, Aug 27, 2005
    #97
  18. From: "kendall sorenson" <>

    |
    | i know a program that is an all in one protection. i have it on my computer.
    | its called Panda Platinum Internet Security. if anything bad gets on your
    | computer it finds it and gets rid of it. it catches EVERYTHING that tries to
    | infect your computer, including trojans. it is an antivirus,an anti spyware,
    | a firewall, and it scans your email for spam. Plus it has a program that
    | protects against some "unknown" viruses.
    |
    | the downside is, of course, the price. it costs around $80. but it
    | worth it.

    No anti malware can catch "everything".

    The ability to catch "unknown" or new infectors is known as Heuristic scanning. It also has
    the tendency to report and increase in False Positive declarations.
     
    David H. Lipman, Aug 27, 2005
    #98
  19. John Blaustein

    NoNoBadDog! Guest

    There is no such ting as an all-in-one solution that catches *EVERYTHING*.
    If you are placing your confidence (and computer) in the effectiveness of
    one product, you are guaranteed failure. You must use a reputable base of
    products, and use an alternative in each category to make sure.

    Bobby

     
    NoNoBadDog!, Aug 28, 2005
    #99
  20. As a former Panda user, I can tell you that it also uses *a lot* of RAM. I
    don't deny that it's a good program, but I've since found better than uses
    less RAM and is less expensive.

    Regards,

    Margaret

     
    Margaret Wilson, Aug 28, 2005
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