up to 150 million computers are part of botnets

Discussion in 'Anti-Virus' started by simple_language, Jan 26, 2007.

  1. According to Vint Cerf, of the 600 million computers that are connected
    to the internet, up to 150 million are part of botnets (virus nets),
    and in most cases the owners of these computers have not the slightest
    idea what their little beige friend in the study is up to.

    source:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davos07/2007/01/the_internet_is_doomed.shtml
     
    simple_language, Jan 26, 2007
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    Virus Guy Guest

    Windows XP - the gift that keeps on giving.
     
    Virus Guy, Jan 26, 2007
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  3. Those are due to sys admins not patching Apache and Sendmail or improper
    configuration.

    Both of those are applications and can run on many Operating Systems
    besides Linux.

    This is in no way a reflection that Linux is as insecure as XP.

    Jeanette
     
    Jeanette Russo, Jan 26, 2007
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    Fuzzy Logic Guest

    So why don't ISP's block port 25 except for registered mail servers? While some do many don't. This would
    greatly throttle the spam/virus traffic.
     
    Fuzzy Logic, Jan 26, 2007
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    Fuzzy Logic Guest

    A system's security has much more to do with how well it's maintained and the person using it than the OS
    used.

    It only takes one unpatched critical vulnerability to get your system compromised regardless of the OS.
     
    Fuzzy Logic, Jan 26, 2007
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    Virus Guy Guest

    In the case of XP, it doesn't matter how good you were at being a
    sys-admin. Xp was flawed for the first 3 years of it's life.

    Microsoft should have had it's ass sued off for negligence for pushing
    XP on the home and SOHO market during 2002/2003/2004.

    XP Home was an oxymoron of an operating system.

    You bring home a new Dell or Gateway during 2002/2003/2004, plug it
    into the internet and turn it on, and within 20 minutes you're hacked
    before you finish downloading your updates from MS.
     
    Virus Guy, Jan 27, 2007
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    Virus Guy Guest

    I garantee you that if you had an XP-gold or XP-SP1 machine connected
    to the internet WITHOUT A NAT ROUTER then you would have been
    comprimized in 20 minutes, maybe 25 minutes, back during 2002 or 2003
    or 2004. Starting in mid-2003, some ISP's began blocking vulnerable
    ports, so that might have saved you.

    Your specific experience doesn't matter. It's a known fact that
    millions of 2K and XP boxes are hacked and have been hacked and are or
    have been part of botnets. Most of them became hacked because of the
    5 network vulnerabilities that XP-gold had when it came out, of which
    3 were patched with SP1 and then the remaining 2 were patched with
    SP2.
     
    Virus Guy, Jan 27, 2007
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    Bart Bailey Guest

    Unless you refuse to use the integrated MSIE
    and choose another browser instead.
    If nothing else;
    Del C:\windows\system32\mshtml.dll
     
    Bart Bailey, Jan 27, 2007
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    Virus Guy Guest

    No. Win-2K and XP-gold and XP-SP1 had network vulnerabilities that
    could be exploited simply by connecting them to the internet. No user
    actions require (like e-mail reading or web browsing).

    It was a joke back during 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2003 that if you
    installed Win-2K or XP-gold or SP1 on a machine and then connected it
    to the internet, that even if the first thing you did within minutes
    of connecting to the net was to go to Windows Updates and start
    downloading updates, that your computer would be comprimized by
    network worms and trojans before your updates were downloaded and
    installed.
     
    Virus Guy, Jan 27, 2007
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    DK Guest

    Me too (but only 20 years).
     
    DK, Jan 27, 2007
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    Fuzzy Logic Guest

    Only if you didn't have a firewall.

    In any case it's now 2007 and things have changed. Regardless of the OS you use it will have and will
    continue to have vulnerabilities.

    I stand by my original post that how you maintain and use your computer has more to do with it's security than
    the software you use.

    For a good resource for the latest vulnerabilities in *nix visit this site:

    http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/section/3/170/

    Patch, patch and patch...practice safe computing and you are likely as safe as you can be.
     
    Fuzzy Logic, Jan 30, 2007
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    Virus Guy Guest

    Which was the case for the vast majority of SOHO and home computers,
    and many today still don't have a NAT router.
    No they haven't. Many home computers today are running XP-gold and
    XP-sp1 that have never been updated or patched via windows updates,
    and they are on DSL and Cable broad-band connections and send buckets
    of spam every day.
    Only NT-based operating systems like 2K and XP were vulnerable to
    network intrusion because of netbios ports and administrative
    sharing. Windows 98 was NOT vulnerable to those exploits. XP was the
    biggest piece of shit to hit home and SOHO users and has had a
    negative impact on the internet. If Bill Gates and Microsoft couldn't
    own the internet, they instead decided to pollute it with XP, thereby
    creating a built-in reason for people to "upgrade" to Vista.
    And you conveinently ignore the reality which is that NT and XP were
    fatally flawed for SOHO and home use, and their default installation
    settings for those markets were poorly (if not criminally) chosen by
    Microsoft to cause maximal vulnerability and intrusion potentlal.
    Windows 98 had no such vulnerabilities.
     
    Virus Guy, Jan 30, 2007
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    Fuzzy Logic Guest

    The XP firewall would have been adequate but was disabled by default prior to SP2.
    You conveniently removed my "patch, patch and patch again" comment. If you are running XP pre SP2 you are
    doing a bad job of maintaining your system.

    If ISP's blocked port 25 except for registered mail servers this stuff would never have made it out to infect
    others.
    Security is always a tradeoff against ease of use. Microsoft chose there settings (since changed) in favor of
    ease of use.
     
    Fuzzy Logic, Jan 30, 2007
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    Bart Bailey Guest

    Exactly!
    An unplugged machine is about the safest,
    yet a hardened online box can be rather invulnerable
    when coupled with prudent usage (no happy-clicking).
     
    Bart Bailey, Jan 30, 2007
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    Bart Bailey Guest

    BTW: My machine is XP-Pro SP1, FAT-32,
    no SP2, no MSIE, aftermarket firewall etc.
    and my only AV, for curiosity, is F-Prot for DOS
    Only reason I left 98SE for XP in the first place,
    was the ease of interface with my digital cameras.
     
    Bart Bailey, Jan 30, 2007
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    Bart Bailey Guest

    I think removing MSIE, Outlook Express etc. (iexplorer.exe & mshtml.dll)
    and replacing them with Legacy editions of Opera v6.06 and Forte Agent
    v1.93 amounted to an excellent maintenance job.
     
    Bart Bailey, Jan 31, 2007
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    Virus Guy Guest

    Unless you're running Windows 95, you really can't fully "remove" IE
    from Windows.
     
    Virus Guy, Jan 31, 2007
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    Bart Bailey Guest

    I guess it depends on what all you include in your definition,
    there certainly isn't any IE functionality left in my machine
    Ask Art about the screen captures I sent him regarding this.
     
    Bart Bailey, Jan 31, 2007
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    Nio Guest

    ha scritto:
    Not Mac users
     
    Nio, Feb 3, 2007
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