The Tirades

Discussion in 'Virus Information' started by David Kaye, Mar 11, 2010.

  1. David Kaye

    David Kaye Guest

    We provided the location of the database (open, no password, no encryption)
    and the programming environment. In this case it was VB and we had
    specifically advertised for a VB developer, but it could just as well have
    been C++ or whatever. Anybody with any programming experience and carte
    blanche to write the code in any method they wished, open book, should have
    been able to do it. And people did do it. We hired 4 developers that way.
    But I don't believe any of them had CS degrees. They were all hobbyists,
    though they had worked in programming, at least somewhat prior.
     
    David Kaye, Mar 15, 2010
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  2. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    In order to weed out the "text book" types from the ones that had a real
    interest, we developed a simple 6 page test that covered (since I was a
    programmer, 8 languages, DBA, MS/Oracle, network engineer) basic
    programming issues, some database issues, and some minor networking
    issues - none of the questions were "text book" questions. It was
    amazing how few people actually passed the testing, 1 hour, no outside
    computer/internet access during the test....

    I had one chap, a MCSE, MCDBA, that we hired before the testing was put
    in place, one of the body hunters found him and assured us that he was
    the best DBA he had ever used.... We sent him to a state client where he
    was suppose to edit SQL queries.... he actually walked out 2 hours into
    the first day, no notice to the client, no call to us, just left....
    When we reached him the next day he said it was too much stress......
    This was basic DBA level stuff that any first level DBA could do....
     
    Leythos, Mar 15, 2010
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  3. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    You know, that's funny, almost every "Great" developer we've hired
    didn't have a degree or certifications. Of the ones that did have
    degrees or lots of certs, they were mediocre at best - I remember one
    that spent 3 days trying to figure out how to make check boxes not
    impact other areas on a form... didn't know that you can put them in a
    container and he was too stupid to ask for help.... All of the great
    programmers and engineers I've hired or worked with have the same simple
    mindset - if you don't know or can't figure it out, ASK SOMEONE ELSE.
     
    Leythos, Mar 15, 2010
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  4. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    David, for some reason BD has this bug up his arse about wanting to know
    everyone's credentials, like it validates something to him, he will ask
    many times and is persistent, like a roach.
     
    Leythos, Mar 15, 2010
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  5. [...]
    You infer from input, you imply with output.

    [...]
     
    FromTheRafters, Mar 15, 2010
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  6. David Kaye

    Peter Foldes Guest

    Actually he is checking if the person is a good or bad guy. He bases his answers on
    that fact. He has been doing this since he showed up in the Net community 5-6 yrs
    ago. You have to know that for every question he ask there is an ulterior thought
    behind it
     
    Peter Foldes, Mar 15, 2010
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  7. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    It's the you think ANYONE OWES YOU AN ANSWER that makes you look stupid
    and your constant requests make you look like a troll.

    You have every right to ask, but everyone has a right to ignore your
    question.
     
    Leythos, Mar 15, 2010
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  8. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    Yep, watched him for quote a while - it's almost mental about it.
     
    Leythos, Mar 15, 2010
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  9. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    Not all people see to PROVIDE anything, some people just take what they
    read in order to see trends and other issues - most people DON'T get
    involved.
    Some people don't like the way that others reply - as is the case with
    your replies. After a while, people tire of the constant BS and the
    constant probing of personal information that has no relevance in these
    groups - take your constant preoccupation with certifications and
    degrees, anyone could make up anything and lie to you, anyone could have
    them and just not feel it's honorable or ethical to discuss them, others
    may feel that you have no right to personal information - and others
    will see all of the above reasons as to why it doesn't matter what
    anyone says about their credentials in Usenet - it's their history of
    correct information that matters.
    If you want "Friendly Interchange" then take it to a discussion group
    where that stuff is on-topic, it's not here, and your diverting threads
    to other groups makes you appear to be a troll.

    I can't explain it any better than above, it's simple, and I won't
    explain it again.
     
    Leythos, Mar 15, 2010
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  10. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    He doesn't understand that it's not polite to ask personal information
    in Usenet unless it's a groups with a topic that would discuss that type
    of stuff - I think it's more of an ego/trolling thing for him than
    anything else.
     
    Leythos, Mar 15, 2010
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  11. David Kaye

    David Kaye Guest

    Because you have told me nothing about yourself and yet you keep prying me for
    information. I don't even know you. I've given more than enough info here,
    and more than I usually give. So, basically, get lost.
     
    David Kaye, Mar 15, 2010
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  12. David Kaye

    David Kaye Guest

    Well, tell us about yourself. Where do you live? What are your passions? Do
    you work for a living? If so, what do you do? What kind of education did you
    have? Are you married? Straight, gay, bi? If you do not work in the field
    of malware removal, why have you been on this newsgroup for so long?
     
    David Kaye, Mar 15, 2010
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  13. From: "~BD~" <>



    | Let me bow to your greater experience, Leythos.

    | First, thank you for replying in this instance. :)

    | We are corresponding in a newsgroup. Tell me, (please!) *why* would folk
    | be lurking/posting here if they didn't wish to be involved in providing
    | answers to questions? (if/when they can).

    | I do not understand why someone will become engaged in a two-way
    | discussion and then suddenly 'drop out' as it were. Nobody does that in
    | real life, do they? Surely it is simply a matter of good manners to
    | respond in some, any, way even if it is to briefly explain *why* the
    | answer to a query will not be forthcoming.

    | You may consider *this* message to be trolling. That is your prerogative
    | but, as far as I'm concerned this is simply a friendly interchange. I
    | have absolutely no axe to grind with you.


    Because the Internet is a dangerous place and you ask, online, too many bloody personal
    questions. Based upon their lack of answers you act in a maniacal fashion, almost deviant
    in nature.

    Stick to the subject matter at hand discussed in the group. If you want personal
    information, take it offline where ones privacy is more managable.
     
    David H. Lipman, Mar 15, 2010
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  14. David Kaye

    Tom Willett Guest

    : Because the Internet is a dangerous place and you ask, online, too many
    bloody personal
    : questions. Based upon their lack of answers you act in a maniacal
    fashion, almost deviant
    : in nature.
    :
    : Stick to the subject matter at hand discussed in the group. If you want
    personal
    : information, take it offline where ones privacy is more managable.
    :
    His bread ain't done.
     
    Tom Willett, Mar 15, 2010
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  15. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    From all the personal information you posted, that I snipped, it appears
    that YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED ANYTHING ABOUT CYBERCRIME.
     
    Leythos, Mar 15, 2010
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  16. From: "Tom Willett" <>


    :: Because the Internet is a dangerous place and you ask, online, too many
    | bloody personal
    :: questions. Based upon their lack of answers you act in a maniacal
    | fashion, almost deviant
    :: in nature.

    :: Stick to the subject matter at hand discussed in the group. If you want
    | personal
    :: information, take it offline where ones privacy is more managable.

    | His bread ain't done.


    His narrowboat is one aor short!
     
    David H. Lipman, Mar 15, 2010
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  17. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    This is a technical group about malware - you should not start personal
    discussions that are better left to email. You have effectively trolled
    this group - please stop.
     
    Leythos, Mar 15, 2010
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  18. David Kaye

    David Kaye Guest

    I'm very sorry to hear about that. I lived through the AIDS epidemic in San
    Francisco in the 1980s and lost about 70 friends and acquaintances. A
    whole chunk of my social life, my friends, my buddies disappeared within 2
    to 3 years. That experience woke me to the fact that slaving from 8 to 5 for
    someone else wasn't worth any of the "security" in the world.

    If I hadn't lost my software development job in 2001 due to outsourcing, I
    likely would have jumped ship eventually. I was seeing too much of my life
    slip away. Even though I was authoring software to assist in organ
    transplants and we had documented cases where some people's lives were saved,
    that still wasn't enough after awhile to stir me to go to work each day.

    For the record, since you were generous with your information, I have no
    formal training in computers whatever. My college background was educational
    psychology first, and then I realized I didn't want to do psych. I switched
    to telecommunications with a specialty in radio and TV broadcasting, and then
    dropped out short of a degree. I am a licensed commercial radio engineer
    (General Class Radiotelephone with radar endorsement.)

    I got into computers because I met a guy on a train whom I was interested in
    dating. He had use of the computer lab late at night and invited me to join
    him. At the time I thought computers were just used for accounting (this was
    the late 70s) and had no interest in computers, but was interested in him. He
    told me that he could do music and graphics on computer. I had no idea what
    "graphics" meant, and I definitely had to hear the music. Thus, I spent many
    nights in the computer lab, even though the graphics were basically wire frame
    lines and the music was single-tone arpeggios and stuff.

    My work today allows me to work when I wish, sit in cafes or go to the beach
    or the mountains when I wish, and lead a stress-free life. I also enjoy
    making people happy; and people are very happy when I've fixed their
    computers.
     
    David Kaye, Mar 15, 2010
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  19. Take your off topic crap to another newsgroup or email troll.



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    *WARNING* Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below.
    They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste
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    David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos.
     
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  20. David Kaye

    Leythos Guest

    Look at the pirate/thief trying to give orders - if it's good enough for
    you to post impersonating myself and others, using fake identities,
    posting links to filthy pornographic materials hosted on your website,
    what makes you think you can tell the good people what to do?
     
    Leythos, Mar 16, 2010
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