Removing malware from an infected PC - battling antivirus programs

Discussion in 'Virus Information' started by ~BD~, Jan 20, 2009.

  1. ~BD~

    Leythos Guest

    And that's why we don't buy non-USA vendors products for secure sites.

    In all my years I've only read about malware that infects BIOS memory,
    never actually seen one and I hardly think it's worth most malware
    writers time to do something that could easily be found and has little
    chance to be widespread cosidering the differences needed to program a
    Leythos, Jan 23, 2009
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    ~BD~ Guest

    An interesting (and telling!) comment, Leythos. Thanks.

    Are you permitted to advise who "we" are? You don't have to tell me -
    I'm simply curious on this occasion. :)

    I've only read about same too - and agree with you!

    ~BD~, Jan 23, 2009
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    Leythos Guest

    Nope, I'm a non-person. I'm sure you can find others that don't buy
    foreign systems based on security concerns.

    What I think is funny is that some military contractors are still
    purchasing Lenovo systems.
    Leythos, Jan 23, 2009
  4. RAM is supposed to be flushed upon a reboot.

    Yet, most people who have been repairing computers for a long time will tell
    you, as I am, that sometimes a complete power down (including removing the
    plug from the outlet) works wonders when you have totally unexplained
    happenings that you can not get a handle on.

    It is one of the things I tell my family to do when they call me fro trouble
    shooting a problem. You would be surprised how often it resolves a strange
    problem. Often enough for me that it is one of the "first" things I tell by
    brothers and sons to do. Many times nothing else need be done. Now I will
    admit that we all have computers that are 3-5 years old.

    The same goes for printers that are misbehaving. Pull the power cord from
    the wall for 30 seconds or so. I had one printer that would not register
    correctly when printing. I thought the paper was slipping during the feed.
    The print at top and bottom was normal but the print toward the center was
    compressed till it was almost a solid block of black. I unplugged the
    printer from the wall and went to get a coffee. When I plugged in the
    printer everything was fine.

    BUT, I don't see this as being a vector for infection as the condition is
    too arbitrary. I doubt that anything could purposefully "target" a condition
    caused by aging hardware.


    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience
    Richard Urban, Jan 23, 2009
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    ~BD~ Guest

    Thanks for posting yur views/thoughts Richard.

    Much appreciated. :)

    I've found that the "unplug ..... and wait" trick works wonders on much
    electronic equipment - PC's, TV's, video recorders and suchlike!
    ~BD~, Jan 23, 2009
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    ~BD~ Guest

    Ooops! It appears that I forgot to thank you for that post, Leythos. My
    apologies - I do appreciate your helpful comments. :)

    With all your experience, have you any knowledge of a facility called

    From their web site :-
    "Prevx has developed a revolutionary approach to protecting computers
    from an ever-escalating assortment of malware for which it has been
    named a 'Herd Intelligence' leader by Yankee Group and 'Cool Vendor' by
    Gartner Research.

    Unlike traditional security companies that identify malicious code by
    its 'signature' and then must develop a cure one virus at a time,
    Prevx's Community Intrusion Prevention (CIP) system identifies malicious
    code by its 'behavior' and is able to neutralize whole classes of
    malware before it ever has a recognized signature. As the traditional
    line of computer defense crumbles under the mounting threat of malware,
    Prevx is able to use intelligence derived from detailed analysis of its
    rapidly growing community of users to offer more aggressive,
    comprehensive and effective protection from malware for the world of
    interconnected computers.

    Prevx is a wholly owned subsidiary of Retento Ltd. Contact Prevx.

    Retento Ltd can be reached in the UK on 01332 916 350 or in the USA on 1
    888 895 4943."


    ~BD~, Jan 31, 2009
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    Leythos Guest

    I have no personal experience with it, but I did find a review from a
    site I believe is reputable:
    Leythos, Jan 31, 2009
  8. ~BD~

    ~BD~ Guest

    Thank you for taking the trouble to provide that review, Leythos.

    Now that you have read about it, are you tempted to give such a
    programme total access to *your* computer?

    I think ............ probably not! ;)
    ~BD~, Jan 31, 2009
  9. ~BD~

    Leythos Guest

    Nope, not a chance. I see no reason to install something like that on my
    computers inside my protected networks. As of this date I've never been
    compromised, follow very strict rules and methods, and block content
    that most people don't even think about.

    I also tend to avoid products related to security that are made outside
    the USA, and don't purchase Foreign made computers/laptops if I can
    avoid it.
    Leythos, Jan 31, 2009
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    ~BD~ Guest

    Thanks once more for your comments, Leythos.

    Although you have told me to trust noone, I'm afraid you have failed to
    convince me that I shouldn't trust *you*! :)))

    How do you feel about contact by email?
    ~BD~, Jan 31, 2009
  11. Not to mention that it requires that you execute malware.
    FromTheRafters, Jan 31, 2009
  12. ~BD~

    Leythos Guest

    What could we discuss that can't be discussed here - remember, I may not
    be what/who I appear to be.

    If we're going to talk security or such, we should keep it here so that
    others may benefit from our discussion and/or correct any mistakes we
    make so that we may learn from them also.
    Leythos, Jan 31, 2009
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    ~BD~ Guest

    Hello FTR. :)

    Please would you expand on your statement. I'm not quite sure what you
    mean. Thanks.
    ~BD~, Jan 31, 2009
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    ~BD~ Guest

    I take on board what you say. Leythos and do understand your position.

    Perhaps you will explain why *you* (not forgetting Shenan Stanley, 1PW
    and to a degree, FromTheRafters) have had a dialogue with me in this
    group when others have simply blanked me. TIA
    ~BD~, Jan 31, 2009
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    Leythos Guest

    I could only explain for myself - There are times when I think you're a
    troll, other times when I don't care, and then there are times when I
    answer regardless of what I think about the person.

    If you post interests me and I have time I respond - it's as simple as
    Leythos, Jan 31, 2009
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    ~BD~ Guest

    Regardless, I appreciate your help/advice - especially when I'm aware
    that your action alienates you too. Thank you. :)

    David H Lipman has said, categorically, that there are no 'bad guys' on
    the Microsoft groups. IMO there is absolutely no way he could possible
    know that to be true.

    What do you think?
    ~BD~, Feb 1, 2009
  17. From: "~BD~" <>

    | Regardless, I appreciate your help/advice - especially when I'm aware
    | that your action alienates you too. Thank you. :)

    | David H Lipman has said, categorically, that there are no 'bad guys' on
    | the Microsoft groups. IMO there is absolutely no way he could possible
    | know that to be true.

    | What do you think?
    | --
    | Dave

    I was referring to terrorists. There are lots of "bad guys" from the idiots in the Vista
    group, to the spammers to Butts.
    David H. Lipman, Feb 1, 2009
  18. Just that in order to detect malware by its exhibited behavior, said malware
    has to execute. Prevention is about *not* allowing malware to execute. I'm
    not saying that it wouldn't be a good tool to use, only that they dismiss
    need for old school scanners too easily.

    The value of signature based scanning has been greatly misunderestimated
    in their view.

    [uh they come..the grammar police] :eek:/
    FromTheRafters, Feb 1, 2009
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    ~BD~ Guest

    I appreciate yout honesty on this occasion. Thank you, Mr Lipman.

    I'll explain my thinking just one more time. Cybercrime has escallated
    exponentially since 9/11. 'Bad guys' *are* stealing money on the
    Internet - lots of it!

    Terrorism requires huge amounts of money to be effective. My bet is that
    there are many 'bad guys' operating on the Internet (and probably within
    the Microsoft newsgroups too) whose role is to steal money - not simply
    to buy fast cars, women and drugs etc - but to fund the acts of
    terrorism which kill and maim thousands of people each year. I don't
    approve of that.

    The clever technical experts have been less than efficient at catching
    these murderers. Can you think of a better place to hide on the Internet
    than within groups which purport to be helping out ordinary folk with
    their computer problems? I can't.

    Those reading here will probably know that some 'helpers' fail to answer
    my simple and straight-forward queries. In my book, that is not the
    reaction I would expect from the 'good guys'. My hope is, truly, that
    the Police and/or Security Services monitor these messages and will
    concentrate their efforts by watching those who appear to be reacting

    ~BD~, Feb 1, 2009
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    1PW Guest

    Hello Dave:

    I don't intrude on your threads, do I Dave? :)

    Although the Prevx folks have been on the scene for a little while now,
    ( I think I first noticed their wares in Mark Loman's Hitman Pro years
    ago ) they seem slower than most to come up to speed. Strictly talking
    about a UK product, Sophos, IMHO runs circles around Prevx. Here's
    hoping Prevx does much better in the future.

    Sorry Dave - I thought I heard my name...

    1PW, Feb 1, 2009
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