Real Alternative

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    default Guest

    Perusing one of the other groups I came across this alternative for
    Real Player, called, oddly enough, RealAlternative. Supposed to be
    spyware and adware free and is freeware.

    Check out http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1054136293
    read the reviews. Does most of the stuff Real Player does including
    play rm files.


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    default, Jul 23, 2003
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    John Smith Guest

    This would be wonderful if it worked as, I still run into .rm files and such
    that I just skip, since I refuse to let realplayer pollute my machine with
    worthless and hazardous junk! However, my experience with realplayer and
    its associated problems has so turned me off, I won't even let anything on
    my machine that seems related--will sit back and let the braver people
    explore this one first!

    Warmest regards,
    John Smith
     
    John Smith, Jul 24, 2003
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    TTBoy Guest

    I've installed it. My Windows Media Player (ver 6.4) can now play the
    RM videos.... so far so good

    TTBoy
     
    TTBoy, Jul 24, 2003
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    default Guest

    I can't answer for TTBoy, but I do believe version 9 is M$ spyware. I
    have version 7 and it tries to report home on occasion. I think 9 may
    have the EULA that tells you it is pro- "digital rights management."

    Presumably this would allow them to snoop your files for copy write
    works? Don't know . . . just sounds ominous.



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    default, Jul 24, 2003
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  5. I just got a new puter with XP and Media Player installed. How do I get MP
    un installed? I can't find any uninstall anywhere.
    What other things should I be removeing or turning of in XP.
    Thanks
     
    Little Johnny, Jul 24, 2003
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    default Guest

    Someone else will probably answer your question better, since I use
    'doze 98. There's a tag for it in the control panel under add/remove
    programs in 98 makes Windows media player go away if you want.

    I have the version 7 on but have the firewall configured so it can't
    phone home. It does keep a file list in the registry of everything I
    open in media player.

    I use Irfanview for all the graphics and video, and Winamp for sound
    files. I'm not sure if Irfanview has all the codecs it needs or is
    "borrowing" some from Windows Media Player - but it works, so I
    stopped messing with it.

    Neither WinAmp or Irfanview are spyware, and both are freeware.
    Irfanview has to have an extra package of codecs downloaded for it to
    play media files, and not all media files will play by double clicking
    - the ones that don't will work by opening them from the Irfanview
    media player window (so I probably have the file associations screwed
    up).



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    default, Jul 24, 2003
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  7. I killfile anyone who has ever used Real Player.
     
    Brenadier Jehosephat, Jul 24, 2003
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    That's where I started but there is nothing in control panel add/remove for
    it.?????
     
    Little Johnny, Jul 24, 2003
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    mto Guest

    Instant Messenger - in a VERY big way, since it phones home somewhere just
    about every two minutes. I did see instructions recently for editing the
    registry in such a way as to be able to uninstall those things, but I really
    don't want to mess around with the XP and have to reinstall it at 3 am so I
    settled for blocking net access to those programs (and don't forget the
    components!) in Zone Alarm.
     
    mto, Jul 24, 2003
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    default Guest

    I don't know if I can handle the rejection.


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    default, Jul 25, 2003
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    turtle Guest

    Could I be so bold to ask what possible use this has? After all "who
    cares what you do with your own computer?"

    Seems to this user that if you believe Real Player is so bad, your
    energy would be better spent educating others rather than denigrating
    them.

    Then too, who's seeking your approval? Please add me to your kill
    file.



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    turtle, Jul 26, 2003
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  12. [snip]

    Why did you put the entire body of your post *below* your sig delimiter?

    Aside from being really ugly, this will create difficulties for some folks
    attempting to f'up to your post.
    [snip]

    Please do NOT shill for these spamming slimeballs. See:

    <http://groups.google.com/groups?q=giantcompany.com+group:news.admin.net-abuse.email&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=G&scoring=d>

    for confirmation and more info on some of their reprehensible "business
    practices".

    And to answer your earlier question (the article for which is not currently
    on my server, so this will have to do):

    --> I just got a new puter with XP and Media Player installed. How do I
    --> get MP un installed? I can't find any uninstall anywhere.
    [snip]

    That is by design.

    --> What other things should I be removeing or turning of in XP.

    Windows XP itself. See:

    <http://www.hevanet.com/peace/microsoft.htm>
    or <http://www.futurepower.net/microsoft.htm>

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    Jay T. Blocksom, Jul 27, 2003
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    Chuck Guest

    Checkout other posts by this weenie.

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    Chuck, Jul 28, 2003
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    Well, I guess the old saying about "Ignorance is bliss" is true.
    [snip]

    Don't count on that.

    Several years ago, Real Networks was *the* first so-called "mainstream"
    company to jump into the privacy-invasion business (in the guise of
    "marketing demographics") with both feet. They have NOT reformed since
    then. They are utter slimeballs (and big-time spammers -- but that's sort'a
    synonymous). They've been sued over it multiple times, and AFAIK, lost
    every time. They have *still* not reformed. It is a lead-pipe cinch that
    ANYTHING they give away (and probably anything they sell) will be a trojan,
    in at least some way. It is equally certain that to allow anything they've
    produced in the last, say, five years to run on a system with a open
    internet connection is simply suicidal (at least, presuming that that one
    does not have a good hardware firewall sitting upstream of the host system,
    with ALL of Real Networks' IP space solidly in the static DENY tables,
    effective for all ports, in both directions -- and even then, I might be
    nervous about it).

    If there is still ANY doubt in your mind about these low-lifes, see:

    [snip]

    There are no "good" experiences to be had using Real Networks crapware.

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    Jay T. Blocksom, Jul 30, 2003
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    BoB Guest

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:08:25 -0400, Jay T. Blocksom

    SNIP
    Can't say that I disagree with anything you said. If a web site
    is stupid enough to use Real, then I have no interest in their
    site, PERIOD.

    BoB
     
    BoB, Jul 30, 2003
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  17. Hi Jay, I agree that Real are scumbags and that they are not going to
    stop being scumbags. But do you think both Ad-aware and Spybot are
    incapable of cleaning out whatever spyware may be there, after all
    this time? After all, they are constantly updating their reference
    files, are they not?

    Mind you, I rarely run RealOne these days, but I still have it for the
    occasions when it's needed. But it still works perfectly, which means
    that any spyware that was cleaned out did not disable it. As an
    example of what I mean, when I ran the Oozic Player (by Creative), one
    of the virus checkers (as I prefer to think of them), removed Oozic's
    spyware, after which the player would no longer run - it was audio
    only.

    Over to the rest of the newsgroup for any opinions they may like to
    offer.

    Gail
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    Gail Pamphilon, Aug 6, 2003
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    Dunno. But that's not really the point.

    We already *know* that Real-ware is not trustworthy. It is also only
    reasonable to assume that the mechanisms they use to conduct their illicit
    business are not static -- i.e., they will keep developing "new and
    improved" ways to abuse the users of their trojan horse programs. Given
    that, it seems imprudent at best to depend on ANY after-the-fact third-party
    "band-aid". As popular (and useful!) as AdAware and SS&D may be, it's
    important to remember that they are *NOT* panaceas. At best, they can only
    be a "reactionary" defense: A particular threat mechanism must first be
    devised _and_deployed_ by the malware vendor; only then can the "band-aid"
    makers discover that threat mechanism, identify it, and develop a
    countermeasure to it -- in the meantime, you're *already* exposed. Sure, in
    the context of "new and unknown" threats, these "band-aid" programs are
    probably one the best defenses we have; but in the case of Real Networks,
    we're already *well* beyond that point. Don't get me wrong.... Like I
    said, AdAware and SS&D are good products; and I recommend them highly when
    properly used for the purposes they are intended. But there seems to be an
    alarming tendency for some folks to view them as the end-all and be-all of
    spyware control. They are not that, and can never be that; nor are they an
    adequate subsitute for ALWAYS practicing "safe computing".

    Then there is the political angle... By keeping any incarnation of
    RealPlayer on your system, you enable the download and use of Real Media
    content. Now, that might seem like "a good thing", at first glance -- but
    it's not. Every time you download a Real Media file from some website,
    you're telling the owner/operator of that website that his choice to offer
    his content in Real format, as opposed to a generic "open standard" format
    like .AVI or .MPEG, was the correct one -- thus you perpetuate and
    exacerbate the larger problem of Real Networks' continued existance.

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