PC Defender in System Restore

Discussion in 'Virus Information' started by antioch, May 27, 2010.

  1. antioch

    antioch Guest

    Whilst having problems with a series of BSODs over the last couple of days,
    I had a look in system restore with the mad thought in mind that at some
    point it could help but mainly with the intention to check to see if I can
    restore at any point during the 100 Software Distribution Service 3 entries
    since Feb 24 2010.
    Going back through all points, I was surprised that there were only 4 check
    points and to my horror I saw that PC Defender had been installed on March
    24.
    If this is that rogue one that has been of interest for a while, then I
    could find no trace in my system - probably too well hidden - but I have
    done countless scans with MS Security Essentials, MBAM,SAS and a couple of
    on-liners a couple of times since then. But I have read that it is a sod to
    find and remove.
    I cannot think what else it could be - apart from updates, nothing else has
    been installed on the computer and I certainly have had no pop-ups with any
    virus warnings. MBAM/SAS have removed some minor stuff on the odd occasion.

    Reading recent probs with this SDS, I am aware that some have had problems
    doing a SR prior to one of these entries.
    My laptop has about 20 SDS enties and twice as many check points over the
    same period.

    Providing I can keep my computer stable, I was wondering if it worth trying
    a system restore to a point just prior to this suspect rogue install or best
    left to just drop out in time.

    Rgds
    Antioch
     
    antioch, May 27, 2010
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  2. From: "antioch" <>

    | Whilst having problems with a series of BSODs over the last couple of days,
    | I had a look in system restore with the mad thought in mind that at some
    | point it could help but mainly with the intention to check to see if I can
    | restore at any point during the 100 Software Distribution Service 3 entries
    | since Feb 24 2010.
    | Going back through all points, I was surprised that there were only 4 check
    | points and to my horror I saw that PC Defender had been installed on March
    | 24.
    | If this is that rogue one that has been of interest for a while, then I
    | could find no trace in my system - probably too well hidden - but I have
    | done countless scans with MS Security Essentials, MBAM,SAS and a couple of
    | on-liners a couple of times since then. But I have read that it is a sod to
    | find and remove.
    | I cannot think what else it could be - apart from updates, nothing else has
    | been installed on the computer and I certainly have had no pop-ups with any
    | virus warnings. MBAM/SAS have removed some minor stuff on the odd occasion.

    | Reading recent probs with this SDS, I am aware that some have had problems
    | doing a SR prior to one of these entries.
    | My laptop has about 20 SDS enties and twice as many check points over the
    | same period.

    | Providing I can keep my computer stable, I was wondering if it worth trying
    | a system restore to a point just prior to this suspect rogue install or best
    | left to just drop out in time.

    BSoD conditions can be caused by software and hardware. Restoring to a previosu restore
    point may not be the solution if the BSoD is caused by hardware.

    You need to research the exact cause of the BSoD first.
    What is the exaxt NT Stop error ?
    What are HEX codes generated ?
     
    David H. Lipman, May 27, 2010
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  3. antioch

    Antioch Guest

    Hello Dave
    Thanks for coming in on this - but at the moment it is difficult to say if
    its a HDD/or a nasty causing this. I have had different results with
    chkdsk.
    Waiting to find out what to scan with from the Maxtor forum.
    If I may, and to avoid repeating all, please take a look at my thread in XP
    General - BSOD-Unmountable & others 25 May 2010 - 23:56.
    I have had at least 6 different stop error codes over a two day period.
    I dont know 'what are hex codes generated?' I have not mentioned them.

    Antioch
     
    Antioch, May 27, 2010
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  4. From: "Antioch" <>


    | Hello Dave
    | Thanks for coming in on this - but at the moment it is difficult to say if
    | its a HDD/or a nasty causing this. I have had different results with
    | chkdsk.
    | Waiting to find out what to scan with from the Maxtor forum.
    | If I may, and to avoid repeating all, please take a look at my thread in XP
    | General - BSOD-Unmountable & others 25 May 2010 - 23:56.
    | I have had at least 6 different stop error codes over a two day period.
    | I dont know 'what are hex codes generated?' I have not mentioned them.

    | Antioch

    Hardware.

    Run hard disk diagnostic from vendor check RAM.
     
    David H. Lipman, May 27, 2010
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  5. antioch

    Antioch Guest

    As above - waiting for info from the Seagate/Maxtor as to appropriate tool
    with which to diagnose.

    Rgds
    Antioch
     
    Antioch, May 27, 2010
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  6. While you're there, you might want to check out "MaxBlast" if they still
    offer it.
     
    FromTheRafters, May 27, 2010
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  7. antioch

    MEB Guest

    PowerMax if your going Maxtor; testdisk, hdat2, mhdd, and several
    others provide various tests and diagnostics, and/or Seagate Seatools
    since Maxtor is now Seagate.

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    MEB, May 27, 2010
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  8. From: "Antioch" <>



    | As above - waiting for info from the Seagate/Maxtor as to appropriate tool
    | with which to diagnose.

    SeaGate -- SeaTools

    Generate a CDROM from their ISO image and boot from it and check your disk.
     
    David H. Lipman, May 27, 2010
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  9. antioch

    antioch Guest

    Yes MaxBlast is on their site with full info how to use etc.
    Thanks

    Antioch
     
    antioch, May 27, 2010
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  10. antioch

    antioch Guest

    Yes, the PowerMax is also there as well as Seatools - that's why I am
    waiting for help in their forum.

    Antioch
     
    antioch, May 27, 2010
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  11. antioch

    antioch Guest

    Hi all
    At last I got a reply from Seagate and they suggested diagnostic tools for
    Windows and Dos and both gave a clean bill of health.
    The forums, however had a different attitude to these tools saying that for
    the most part they were a waste of time - as did a couple of other forums.
    I have used HDDScan 3.2 for a couple of days now and the worst, that it
    reported, is an UltraDMA CRC Error - Google searching has differing opinions
    as to a hardrive failure or missing bits of Windows.
    For the moment, as the jury still seem to out on who/what is 'guilty' I did
    pick up a little tip which seems to be working - once you have managed to
    get into Windows and the desktop, which has not been impossible with trial
    and error in Rec Console, before you switch/turn off the computer, set
    chkdsk to initiate with the command chkdsk /r.
    It takes a bit of time when you switch on next, or course, to open into
    desktop, but it is getting quicker - less and less activity is happening in
    the 5 stages.

    Well, this ng seems to still be running, so it gives me a chance to say
    thanks to all over the last 10 years who have helped and taught me so much.
    I hope to [hope not to have to] be in contact again if I can either using
    the 'connect' or another NSP.

    Rgds
    Antioch
     
    antioch, Jun 2, 2010
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  12. From: "antioch" <>


    | Hi all
    | At last I got a reply from Seagate and they suggested diagnostic tools for
    | Windows and Dos and both gave a clean bill of health.
    | The forums, however had a different attitude to these tools saying that for
    | the most part they were a waste of time - as did a couple of other forums.
    | I have used HDDScan 3.2 for a couple of days now and the worst, that it
    | reported, is an UltraDMA CRC Error - Google searching has differing opinions
    | as to a hardrive failure or missing bits of Windows.
    | For the moment, as the jury still seem to out on who/what is 'guilty' I did
    | pick up a little tip which seems to be working - once you have managed to
    | get into Windows and the desktop, which has not been impossible with trial
    | and error in Rec Console, before you switch/turn off the computer, set
    | chkdsk to initiate with the command chkdsk /r.
    | It takes a bit of time when you switch on next, or course, to open into
    | desktop, but it is getting quicker - less and less activity is happening in
    | the 5 stages.

    | Well, this ng seems to still be running, so it gives me a chance to say
    | thanks to all over the last 10 years who have helped and taught me so much.
    | I hope to [hope not to have to] be in contact again if I can either using
    | the 'connect' or another NSP.

    | Rgds
    | Antioch



    I'll take a manufacturer's diagnostic over a generic any day !
     
    David H. Lipman, Jun 2, 2010
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  13. antioch

    antioch Guest

    I would have thought that a manufacturer has a proprietary interest in NOT
    finding their hardware at fault - that appears to be a feeling in a couple
    of forums.
    I have been running another diagnostic[HardDisc Sentinal], with a bit more
    detail than the others and as the evening has progressed so it has popped up
    with errors as I have performed certain functions on the computer. It
    started all OK but has since shown various small problems.
    So. as I have been told, the HDD is apparently on its way out.
    Must keep backup going etc until I get a new one.

    Antioch
     
    antioch, Jun 2, 2010
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