password expiration - Windows 7 Home Premium

Discussion in 'Computer Security' started by Marc, Jan 4, 2010.

  1. Marc

    Marc Guest

    I have new computers (only one month old) at home, all with Windows 7 Home
    Premium. There are 2 adminstrative users (mom and dad) and 3 standard users
    (our children), all with their own passwords. The operating system is asking
    the standard users to change their passwords after only one month! Is there
    any way to disable this? I have not been able to locate any options for
    passwords. While I would like my children to have their privacy, I don't
    want to require them to change their passwords every month. I can understand
    in a business environment the need to require users to change their passwords
    on a regular basis. But this should not be necessary for home use (this is
    Windows 7 Home (not business) Premium) and certainly not every 30 days.

    Thank you.
     
    Marc, Jan 4, 2010
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  2. Marc

    Gordon Guest

    Then you must have done something when you set up their accounts. I have 7
    HP with the same User password for 7 months now and no sign of "password
    expiry".

    Try this:

    From an elevated command prompt, do:
    net accounts /maxpwage:unlimited

    (This is for Vista but it might well work in 7)
     
    Gordon, Jan 4, 2010
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    MEB Guest

    First, think about what this controls, and why this occurs, related to
    security.

    *IF* you want to completely shut off password expiration, then:

    from the {command} cmd prompt AS ADMINISTRATOR e.g., with elevated
    privileges -

    net accounts /maxpwage:unlimited [enter]


    For a discussion which explains some of the issues that might occur and
    WHY other accounts are needed:

    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7security/thread/1cb0a8c8-e35b-4839-832d-ce24835edc8d

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    MEB, Jan 4, 2010
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  4. Marc

    MEB Guest

    Are all these administrator accounts?

    Or did you create specialized accounts?

    WHAT, exactly, did you assign to these users during the account setups
    [for other users who might find it useful]?

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    MEB, Jan 4, 2010
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  5. Marc

    Gordon Guest

    I have one Admin account for emergencies, otherwise my day to day account is
    a Standard User.
    When I set up this account there was no function at all to set any sort of
    password expiry and there has never been any reminders of this in 7 months.
    I have to say I am suspicious about the OP's claim that he has Home
    Premium...
     
    Gordon, Jan 4, 2010
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  6. Marc

    Marc Guest

    Our accounts originally had been set up on our old Windows XP computer
    (without any password expiration dates) and were copied over to the Windows 7
    computer in accordance with the Windows 7 transfer instructions via USB flash
    drive. I am not tecnically savvy as you: what is "an elevated command
    prompt" and how do I get there? Thank you for your quick response.
     
    Marc, Jan 4, 2010
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  7. Actually, you should have set up all five as standard users. Keep the
    administrative user account only for administrative purposes.
     
    FromTheRafters, Jan 4, 2010
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  8. Marc

    Gordon Guest

    Start-All Programs-Accessories, right-click on Command Prompt and choose
    "Run as Administrator"
     
    Gordon, Jan 4, 2010
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  9. Marc

    MEB Guest

    Right, both VISTA and Win7 Home [depending upon the version] don't have
    the standard plug-ins necessary to allow changing expiry and some other
    settings.
    Widows 7 did increase [beyond those in VISTA which had its own nuances]
    the attempted [by Microsoft] user and system protections, regretfully,
    these are already being defeated by users, such as by the command we
    both mentioned.
    So you must apparently have run the password expiry change command at
    some point, or otherwise modified the standard account setup at some point.

    As for the Win7 versions: only Premium, Professional, and Ultimate,
    each with its own distinct abilities.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/compare/default.aspx
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default.aspx

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    MEB, Jan 4, 2010
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  10. Post such question here instead:
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7security/threads
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Jan 4, 2010
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  11. Let me first teach you how to research some of this for yourself - saving
    yourself time. You should know how to do this since you are - as I see it -
    the system administrator. Trust me - the three kids (if they are old enough
    to use the computer and have done it for long) know this... ;-)

    This is *not* just a link to Google. The second link is a tutorial they put
    together with tips on how to better your searching. I suggest taking the
    five minutes (less likely) and reading through it and any associated pages
    it suggests. It will improve your ability to search by many times.

    Search using Google!
    http://www.google.com/
    (How-to: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/basics.html )

    For example - using your words and some of the tips...
    A search for:
    "Windows 7" password expiration
    (notice the quotes around Windows 7... So it takes that as a phrase and not
    two words.)

    Lead me quickly to:
    http://breztech.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/howto-turn-off-password-expiration-in-windows-7/

    Now the *pictorial steps* don't help you - because you do not have
    "professional" - but the comments had this:

    "Just use this instead from a cmd prompt running as administrator:
    net accounts /maxpwage:unlimited [enter]"

    Also found this:
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7security/thread/1cb0a8c8-e35b-4839-832d-ce24835edc8d

    Which says...

    "Start Orb > Search box > cmd
    When cmd appears in Results above, right-click and choose "Run as
    administrator"

    Stop the Password Expiration - at the command prompt type:

    net accounts /maxpwage:unlimited [enter]

    You will get a message box: "The command completed successfully" and then
    you can close the command prompt."

    Hope that helps!
     
    Shenan Stanley, Jan 4, 2010
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  12. Marc

    Marc Guest

    Thanks to everyone who responded. I followed the procedure to go to the
    elevated command prompt and typed "net accounts /maxpwage:unlimited". The
    command appears to have been completed successfully so that I won't have this
    problem again in 30 days. Has anyone informed Microsoft of this issue?
     
    Marc, Jan 5, 2010
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  13. <snipped>
    <entire conversation>
    http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.security.homeusers/browse_frm/thread/6fda00249e72e312/
    </entire conversation>


    AFAIK - you are the only one I have seen with it. Have you informed
    Microsoft of this issue? ;-)
     
    Shenan Stanley, Jan 5, 2010
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  14. What issue? WYSIWYG.
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Jan 5, 2010
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  15. Marc

    MowGreen Guest

    Sure sounds like a bug to me. Perhaps an MVP should report it to MS.
    Perhaps MS won't close the bug as 'not reproducible' ?
    Perhaps my hair will grow back <g>


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    MowGreen, Jan 5, 2010
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  16. Nah, you're new toupée looks great!
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Jan 6, 2010
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  17. Marc

    MowGreen Guest

    TY. It's the 'Ringo Starr' model.

     
    MowGreen, Jan 6, 2010
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  18. Marc

    Crispy Guest

    I had the same password problem when I did a clean install of Win7
    Professional over my old XP home premium. I am really happy with Win7. It has
    brought my old dog of a PC back to life. I have now tried the suggested
    method to turn off the password expirey. Thanks for providing this solution.
     
    Crispy, Jan 18, 2010
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    KenAdam Guest

    Marc,
    Despite the doubts expressed here about what you has done, I can confirm
    that my Windows 7 Home Premium did the same thing, having been upgraded from
    XP last month.
    Until the pop-up today, I was unaware that this version of the OS had
    password expiry. I certainly did not choose to have it active.
    As a home business user with several PCs, I don't want some "smart" system
    telling me when to change passwords on each of them at different times - that
    just leads to me using insecure passwords, as already happens with a locked
    down customer laptop that I have here. Their security system is making it
    LESS secure and defeating those sharing systems that need matching
    user/password across the network.
    I've applied the "unlimited" setting (I had already found the referecned
    post on google, before I found this thread.)
     
    KenAdam, Jan 23, 2010
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    tricyclist Guest

     
    tricyclist, Jan 25, 2010
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