Has David Lipman been providing malware to known malware criminals?

*twat!* I'm an uber troll ;]]

The truth about Lipman spreading malware
to sociopathic criminal virus/malware
spreaders with a long history of abuse?
Yeah actually I'd be quite interested to
hear Lipman's side of the story, I'm sure
other people that rely on the integrity
of these purported saviours of computer
privacy would be interested too.
Perhaps David could make a guest
appearance and quell the rumors.


4Q (super troll)
http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/

 

I wasn't.

The word "repentent" makes me squirm a bit since it conjurs up
images of some religious nut screaming "Repent, sinner". I think
the world has had enough of repented and "saved" sinners.
Case in point is George W. Bush ... a classic case of a reformed
"sinner" who has lost the trust of most Americans and the world.
Another less tragic and disatrous example is that devout Quaker,
Richard M. Nixon, who authorized a illegal and immoral break-in.

Those who believe illegal or immoral means are justified for
some ideal end are not to be trusted. Such people are
unprincipled.

Now, I recall that you felt entirely justified in "screwing over"
people you considered to be "the pits". Your viruses were
your weapons aimed at people you hated ... whether such
people were engaged in illegal activities, porn, or were just
plain "stupid users" in your eyes. The fact that viruses are
"shotguns" spraying pellets all over the place didn't concern
you. In your eyes, a stray pellet hitting a inncocent user
didn't matter, since "stupid users" who take hits shouldn't
be on the internet ... or some such argument. Besides,
your viruses weren't really nasty and they were easy
to eradicate ... I think you would claim IIRC. So you
rationalized your virus writing and saw yourself as some
kind of hero doing good deeds. You believed that some
illegal or immoral means are justfied in pursuit of your ideals.

You claim you've changed in some way, and I'm sincerely
interested in hearing exactly in what way. I hope you
haven't "got religion" and repented since I don't trust
those unprincipled bastards who have as far as I can
throw them

I think a real change might arise when a person is
immersed in constructive work, such as your product,
and finds such work to be far more rewarding than
past activities. Is that what you've experienced? A
real change to a dedication to strictly constructive
work? Can you say with real feeling that you're
now dedicated to strictly constructive work? If so,
principles and "repentence" be damned I'd be
inclined to think you have truly changed.

Art

 

4Q aka in message
<>
alt.comp.anti-virus on 3/24/2007 at 6:26:38 PM after much thought,came
up with this jewel:

I'll play along.....

How can one create a good removal tool without the thing your trying to
remove?

I have sent live samples to Dustin.

Investigate away!

(mind if I lead?)
sung to the tune of "skating away"-jethro tull

max

 

In other words, you disaprove of 95% of human behavior. From your messages
that seems about right.

cmsix

 

I just hope D. Lipman didn't fly too close to the
sun with those plastic wings.

 

95% is a ridiculous assertion. Sounds like something pulled from the
dark recess in your backside.

 

You should know better than anyone.

cmsix

 

Does the following number ring any bells
Andy? 0789734591

*hmmm* Well if the above number is
yours then you have definately stepped
on your dick. I'll explain in my new
webpage section soon.

http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/Scratchpad/

*hmmmm* I hope you don't end up eating
these words if the number provided above
is correct. *wink*


4Q
http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/

 

More BS from the stalker. http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm still down.
If it is that easy Stalker then why is my site still up. Cheaters and
thieves never prosper remember that stalker.

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That's understandable, however, I don't take advantage of people these
days man. You should consider re-evaluating what you think of me,
since it's based on ones actions. Yes?

 

In all fairness to the sorry weasel, He doesn't specialize in outright
lies. He does intentionally mislead persons by quoting things out of
context and obviously showing a sided viewpoint.

 

That's the whole point, 4Q. A history of abuse which stopped by all
accounts in 2000. You don't have anything even remotely close to
current to attack me with. You couldn't even locate more recent
interviews. I didn't give many, even then. It never was fame I was
in search of, dimwit. LoL.

Whatever I did 7+ years ago is in the past, I can't take it back. The
only thing I can do is not do it again, and return something to the
community that I interfered with in the first place. What can you
claim to have done in the last 7 years?

This will be my final reply to you for awhile, Your already killfiled
in my newsclient... *shrug*

Have a nice day, 4Q.

 

I didn't mean or take repent in the religious aspect, no worries.

Fair enough, I did do those things... And I did have that viewpoint.
It was a childish viewpoint to have tho.

I simply, grew up. That was all. Writing viruses is known to be a
waste of time and somewhat immature, especially if they are released.
Even with the things you learn while writing them, you can only gain
so much knowledge from actually writing self replicating code. You can
gain even more knowledge reverse engineering such code to write
detection/removal routines. Clearly, time is better spent reverse
engineering the programs than it ever was to write them.

I'm not interested in writing malware programs of any kind Art. I'm
interested in the removal. Spyware is at the point where my time at
work is largely spent removing it. I do not like removing annoying
trojans (which is essentially what they all really are at the basic
level) by hand.

When you learn that your not in good health, you tend to rethink
things and see things a bit differently than you did before. It's not
a religious experience, it's a realization that time is short enough
as it is. Much to do, not enough time to do it all in.

Art, I do find the work on BugHunter to be a rewarding experience,
even during the fights on usenet. The program is useful, people enjoy
using it, that's a feeling far better than that of a virus infecting
someone. I must admit, I do find the occasional legal letter from a
spyware company to be very amusing; I'm making a dent, they've
threatened me, I'm doing my job!

I'm sure you remember, I was writing freeware applications well before
my vxer days. Despite what 4Q would like for you to believe, I am an
accomplished programmer, and I do have training beyond that of
highschool, lol. An important aspect that 4Q fails to mention
concerning my education, was that I had no actual classes 3 of the 4
years in highschool! I was at a vocational training facility instead,
working on the computers and maintaining the network. I won the BEAM
competition 1st and 2nd place two years in a row respectively, that's
30,000+ some odd students I competed with on computer knowledge. The

The 2nd place award was given to me because I was not present to
attend the entire year that year, I had left school and moved. The
followup student, who happened to be in my class and was trained by
me! (hahaha) was given 1st place, when he originally one 2nd place.
I'm proud of the fact he got in the top 3, since I trained him on what
he didn't already know how to do.

The fact I've been professionally employed working on pcs and
compatables since I was a teenager also doesn't help his crack on my
education, Nothing beats hands on experience.

freeware applications I wrote were small and well written and
consistenly won awards on sites such as cnet.com; back when DOS
software was popular. In fact, some of my old freeware applications
dating to 95 and before are still available via simtel.net.


Despite my past Art, I'm not exactly the evil person I made myself out
to be. Much of my posts under the nick Raid did contain some
misleading information. Intentionally misleading. What I can claim in
my defense of the fact I've changed is BugHunter. An ongoing project
which actually started almost 3 years ago. If your going to judge me,
please do so with my most recent history of code.

 

LoL. Yes, You have saved me time by sending them so I didn't have to
browse with IE in a controlled environment and manually extract them.
(thanks you!)

Also, a big thanks for pointing out what should be obvious...
" How can one create a good removal tool without the thing your
trying to
remove?" - max alt.comp.virus

 

Yep, bet it makes you happy to know what you did in a faked complaint has
keep a reputable site down for another day.

It appears, unlike your hosting company, that they yank first and then
wait for a response - and the response was filed today, again, in the
proper format. Aren't you going to look the fool when it comes back
online, same content, same site, same page names.

So, how come your sites are not showing the content again?

 

Remember last week , you are good at keeping a history of my posts, It's
still up http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm Didn't you say they
told me to take it down? Oh that's right you wanted everybody to believe
your lies.

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H. Lipman, Max M Wachtell III aka What's in a Name?, Fitz,
Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell

 

No, I didn't sya they told you to take it down, your Pornographic sites
were in violation of US Title concerning warnings and minors - the
"leythos.htm" page was not available at that time and was not part of the
complaint.

The ones that can be found in most of my posts to this group for the past
couple months were in violation and were issued in a complaint - that
forced your ISP/Host to have you removed them, about the same time as the
properly authentic DMCA complaint against you for stealing Stuarts code.
Shortly after both events you made up a story about selling a batch file,
removed the content from both of your sites, and changed on of the file
names to make a new page (which was not part of the initial complaint).

You can't spin your way out of this.

 

http://www.pcbutts1.com/rlk/rlk.htm - Page not found 404
http://www.pcbutts1.com/license.htm - Page not found 404
http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/max.htm - Page not found 404
http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/mpv.htm - Page not found 404
http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/wtcpcb.htm - Not listed in complaint
http://www.pcbutts1.com/cracks.htm - Not listed in the complaint
http://www.pcbutts1.com/Loutheasshole.htm - Page not found 404

Oh, and people can't download your pirated code anymore, no direct links
availabel.

Care you spin now?

 

All those links are still on my site you Crybaby, you just don't know where.
Spyerase is not because I sold it. Remove-it is try to find it. Grow up. You
lose again and start crying like a 2 year old. Sheeeeeesh what a baby you
are. YOUR COMPLAINT FAILED LEYTHOS THE STALKER. do you hear me IT FAILED
Just like all of David's. Grow up.

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H. Lipman, Max M Wachtell III aka What's in a Name?, Fitz,
Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell

 

And that just proves that the complaint worked and was followed.

You sure didn't remove them because you became honest or gained morals or
just wanted to be ethical. They are not there, where the public can be
exposed to them and you won't post links to them again because you were
legally in the wrong and you know it, your ISP/Host knows it, and you
can't do a dang thing about it.

When you're on the wrong side of the law you don't stand much of a chance.