Hardware Destroying Virii

Discussion in 'Anti-Virus' started by Bart Bailey, Aug 3, 2004.

  1. Bart Bailey

    Bart Bailey Guest

    Long regarded as somewhere between urban legend and outright bullshit is
    the claim that a software application could actually destroy hardware.
    Well, all that may be about to change when the new self-healing internal
    fuse semiconductors come into widespread usage.
    Just imagine what some clever code could provoke these things to do to
    themselves. <g> http://snipurl.com/874c
     
    Bart Bailey, Aug 3, 2004
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  2. Don't you mean "imagine what some clever code could provoke" in
    semiconductors that AREN'T self-healing? After all Intel has had temp
    throttling CPUs for some time. You don't see P4s emitting magic smoke
    when run for 3 seconds like AMD chips.
     
    Michael Cecil, Aug 3, 2004
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  3. Bart Bailey

    null Guest

    Looks to me like it's firmware wholly internal to the chip ... and not
    under control of software.


    Art
    http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
     
    null, Aug 3, 2004
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  4. Bart Bailey

    Snowsquall Guest

    "Bart Bailey" wrote
    I have heard of a programmer that wrote code caused damage to the monitor
    (too many electrical impulses or something like that)
     
    Snowsquall, Aug 3, 2004
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  5. Bart Bailey

    Bart Bailey Guest

    When a current version CPU overheats and the junction conductivity is
    diminished below the "bad level" it typically ceases operation or
    freezes, and letting it cool down usually restores functionality, but
    seldom if ever does it "rewire" itself to utilize other parts of the
    matrix to process commands.
     
    Bart Bailey, Aug 3, 2004
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  6. Bart Bailey

    Bart Bailey Guest

    (excerpt)
    to produce chips that can regulate and adapt their own actions in
    response to changing conditions and system demands, according to IBM.
    (/excerpt)

    "response to changing conditions and system demands" suggests the
    ability or vulnerability to be influenced externally, doesn't it?
     
    Bart Bailey, Aug 3, 2004
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  7. Bart Bailey

    Bart Bailey Guest

    Usually exceeding the refresh rate results in a failure to display an
    image, just set it correctly within range, and the picture shows, but
    modern monitors (in the last ten years or so) don't fry.
     
    Bart Bailey, Aug 3, 2004
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  8. Bart Bailey

    Bart Bailey Guest

    see my response to Art
     
    Bart Bailey, Aug 3, 2004
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  9. I can't believe that a person of your caliper would made the mistake of using that incorrect
    terminology -- virii.

    Dave





    | Long regarded as somewhere between urban legend and outright bullshit is
    | the claim that a software application could actually destroy hardware.
    | Well, all that may be about to change when the new self-healing internal
    | fuse semiconductors come into widespread usage.
    | Just imagine what some clever code could provoke these things to do to
    | themselves. <g> http://snipurl.com/874c
    |
    | --
    |
    | Bart
     
    David H. Lipman, Aug 3, 2004
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  10. Bart Bailey

    me Guest

    Oh boy -- would that be Webster's definition # 2.? ;)

    J
     
    me, Aug 3, 2004
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  11. Bart Bailey

    null Guest

    The whole idea is to be able to react to system demands. But what does
    the reacting (and the protecting)? That "reacting and protecting", by
    implication, I think, is built into the chip. Presumably, it would
    protect itself from any system situation external to it.

    I doubt _very_ much that such a failsafe technique would be left to
    the whims of software outside the chip.


    Art
    http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
     
    null, Aug 3, 2004
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  12. Quoth the raven David H. Lipman:
    Caliper?

    I hope that was intentional... <lol>
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Aug 4, 2004
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  13. I was waiting for someone to catch that :)

    Dave



    | Quoth the raven David H. Lipman:
    |
    | > I can't believe that a person of your caliper
    |
    | Caliper?
    |
    | I hope that was intentional... <lol>
    |
    | --
    | -bts
    | -This space intentionally left blank.
     
    David H. Lipman, Aug 4, 2004
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  14. Bart Bailey

    James Egan Guest


    It was in the Lipman dictionary prior to 2003. Now he's become
    something of a pedantic asshole like the rest of us.
    http://tinyurl.com/3o5np

    Jim.
     
    James Egan, Aug 4, 2004
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  15. Bart Bailey

    Shane Guest

    The rest of you Yanks.


    Shane
     
    Shane, Aug 4, 2004
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  16. Bart Bailey

    me Guest

    Jim,

    Er, my comment's about the measuring instrument.

    J
     
    me, Aug 4, 2004
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  17. Bart Bailey

    Bart Bailey Guest

    Had you been presented with the Microsoft protocol for system security
    and the responsibility to close the default vulnerabilities resting on
    the end user ten years ago, would you have had the same doubts?
     
    Bart Bailey, Aug 4, 2004
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  18. Bart Bailey

    Bart Bailey Guest

    Maybe my caliper is SAE and yours is Whitworth? ;-)
     
    Bart Bailey, Aug 4, 2004
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  19. Bart Bailey

    Rich Guest

    Hi

    Didn't the old CIH virus wipe some motherboard bioses? Also some
    older graphics cards could be over clocked by software, so theres
    nothing stopping a virus from overclocking something to cause a burn
    out.

    You can also flash bios's on Hard drives and CD Roms so again these
    could be filled with garbage,

    Thanks.

    Rich
     
    Rich, Aug 4, 2004
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  20. Well, I have to state I'm disc not drum :)

    Dave




    | In Message-ID:<9PSPc.1485$an.889@trndny08> posted on Tue, 03 Aug 2004
    | 20:44:53 GMT, David H. Lipman wrote: Begin
    |
    | >I can't believe that a person of your caliper would made the mistake of using that
    incorrect
    | >terminology -- virii.
    |
    | Maybe my caliper is SAE and yours is Whitworth? ;-)
    |
    | --
    |
    | Bart
     
    David H. Lipman, Aug 4, 2004
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