Free Anti-Virus & Other Safety Software

Discussion in 'Virus Information' started by ~BD~, Aug 13, 2008.

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    Leonard Grey Guest

    Really effective protection requires an enormous investment (in people,
    computers and software; maybe a building to house the above.) How does a
    free security suite pay for all that?

    Now there are circumstances that might enable free security software to
    be as effective as paid security software. For example, if a company
    sells high-priced enterprise security software to businesses, they may
    earn enough that they can afford to provide free versions of the
    software to individuals - in fact, that might be a marketing strategy.

    There are also organizations that sell paid and free versions of
    security software - no doubt the paid-for licenses subsidize the free
    licenses. But the free licenses lack features that many may not want to
    do without. Often, the support is reduced.

    We are all aware of free software that can stay free because there is a
    massive number of volunteers who combine their talents to produce a
    top-quality product. Think of Linux, or Mozilla. Other free software
    earns donations for the developer, although it's tough to get a mortgage
    on the basis of donations.

    Absent the above circumstances, I would not personally put my faith in
    free security software. At the end of the day (or the month) somebody
    needs to get paid for their efforts.

    But that's just my opinion. In any case, security software isn't the
    be-all and end-all of security anyway:

    "Ultimately, the only protection against phishing, forged Web pages,
    downloading malware, and other threats is the technology located between
    the user's ears."

    Mitch Wagner, Information Week
    November 21, 2007
    Leonard Grey, Aug 15, 2008
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  2. I'm low risk because of my computing habits (a little) and the
    low value of my data.

    High risk users should be willing to pay for the support behind
    the software product, and in most cases will also get a superior
    product to the free version. I refer specifically to anti-virus here
    because it is the work of people behind the scenes that makes
    a product superior. Although much good work is done by the
    freeware community, they would have to dedicate far too much
    time in order to amass the same amount of knowledge that some
    payware companies have over decades of evolution. Not to
    mention the ongoing research and real world sampling people
    would have to do - and people gotta eat! :eek:)
    FromTheRafters, Aug 16, 2008
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    Kayman Guest

    Well LG, Mitch Wagner either errs or is biased. I suspect the latter!
    I generally check credentials of authors writing articles/messages in
    advertisement sponsored publications.

    Mitch Wagner is an executive editor at InformationWeek.
    He would be responsible for the editorial aspects of publication and
    determines the final content of what is written in InformationWeek.
    I guess that like most magazines they rely on the advertisement dollar

    I take these messages with a ton of salt; And would advise anybody else to
    be extremely cautious of scaremongering tactics.

    BTW, what would happen if there was no free AV ware available? Do you
    realistically think that every user on this planet would go out and
    purchase one?
    Me thinks that sooner or later the net would come to a grinding halt; A
    great motivation (foresight?) for the makers of AV applications to offer
    workable free versions (albeit with limited features) of their products.
    Nuff' said :)
    Kayman, Aug 16, 2008
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    Kayman Guest

    Agree wholeheartedly. One only has to follow websites specializing in
    comparing AV programs. Or follow (uncountable) newsgroup messages in
    relation to WLOC, retail version of Norton, McAfee and TrenMicro...For the
    average homeuser free version of AntiVir or Avast are adequate (IMO).
    Kayman, Aug 16, 2008
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    ~BD~ Guest

    Every engineer knows that in order to achieve true greatness, it is
    imperative to alway keep a clear, unclouded mind and to protect one's
    secrets from those who would seek to steal or plagiarize the radical new
    designs of a hard-working genius. The [Tinfoil Hat] is the logical result of
    this profound insight, combining tinfoil's powerful mental shielding
    properties with the excellent counter-hexing effect of troll tears and the
    outstanding mind-focus powers of one of Azeroth's most precious gems.
    However, besides keeping the wearer safe from mind spies and the thought
    police, it also removes the wearer's character profile from the World of
    Warcraft Armory to further guarantee that no one will be able to divine all
    of the wearer's tightly held secrets. Furthermore, wearers of the Tinfoil
    Hat will not show up in /who listings, and they will also be immune to
    inspection from other players.

    ~BD~, Aug 16, 2008
  6. You could add SAS to your arsenal of A-S apps.:
    This gets my vote of a must have scanner. It has quickly solved many issues
    for many clients that we fix computers for. Best of all, it is free.
    TompangBuddy.Com, Aug 16, 2008
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    jen Guest

    On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets:
    An Empirical Study

    jen, Aug 16, 2008
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    ~BD~ Guest

    Thanks for that illuminating lead, Jen! :)

    How are things over on U2U ........... ?

    Is Peter Foldes fully recovered now? Please give him my regards - he doesn't
    respond to me here on the MS groups.

    ~BD~, Aug 16, 2008
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    ~BD~ Guest

    Thanks Milo! (and Anteaus!)

    Another good site to explore here:-


    ~BD~, Aug 16, 2008
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    Dan Guest

    Thanks. I am using Windows 98 Second Edition on a daily basis now. I also
    use Windows XP Professional and have briefly tried Ubuntu Linux. I have
    Windows Vista Home Premium on another machine. I now know that Windows 98
    Second Edition is a safe internal alternative because the most the bad guys
    have been able to do to me so far is just the Denial of Service error and
    that just makes me laugh since whoever the hackers were of the APS network,
    they certainly appeared to know what they were looking for and how to get it
    quickly but with 98 Second Edition all they could do was the Denial of
    Service Error because 9x consumer source code is meant as a stand-a-lone
    source code and not meant to be networked with lots of other machines and
    that is why in my opinion it was a great lose for all of us not to have
    Windows 98 Second Edition support from Microsoft anymore.

    Heck, all anybody has to do is check out and research the
    vulnerabilities to see which software has vulnerabilities and which software
    has had their vulnerabilities patched. It is quite simple to do the research
    from the search box.

    It now appears that by the end of the year --- many 3rd party solutions will
    be ending as well --- for Windows 98 Second Edition -- sad to say -- and I
    hope Microsoft will sell their 9x source code to DHS because we need all the
    help that we can get and it is such a loss not to take the full potential of
    an operating system that has its roots in Disk Operating System as a
    maintenance operating system at least until Microsoft is able to give us a
    viable replacement for the NT source code which users seem to forget was
    panned by early Microsoft Engineers as the inferior source code because of
    its lack of the internal safety of Disk Operating System.

    The needed solution to the industry's problems are a combination of closed
    and open source technologies that are needed for the future. The industry
    has recognized the threat posed by DNS Pollution. Unfortunately, the concern
    lies now mainly with the consumer practicing the proper methods and not just
    enabling remote source code to be viewed by default, reading all emails in
    plain text only at least initially to understand the threat matrix, keeping
    their machines fully patched, etc.

    The needed solution, in my view for what it is worth, would be a NT external
    secure front (Vista), a 9x internal safety front (Windows 98 Second Edition)
    with open source solutions like Mozilla Firefox (2.0.x) with its 256 bit AES
    encryption even within Windows 98 Second Edition that Internet Explorer lacks
    with Windows XP Professional but has with Windows Vista Internet Explorer as
    well as using programs like SpywareBlaster that prevent baddies from even
    getting onto your computer. I think Gary S. Terhune, Chris Quirke, and
    Robear, all Microsoft MVP's are really good at understanding these areas.

    etc. --- I could go on all day providing web-sites but I think Microsoft,
    US-Cert, and others get the points if interested
    Dan, Aug 19, 2008
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    Dan Guest

    MalWareBytes is a good product but Adaware SE just is terrible in my opinion
    now because of its false positives --- it destroyed my sister Kate's computer
    because of false positives and so I do not suggest using such an inferior and
    crappy product as Adaware SE. The rest of the suggestions on the web-site
    seem okay.
    Dan, Aug 19, 2008
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    RJK Guest

    XP Home ed. is REALLY fast if you never install any software into it !
    Having said that, I built up an XP Home ed. machine, a couple of weeks ago,
    that was fantastically swift - after everything that was installed into it -
    until I installed Norton Ghost 9.0 to back up the boot drive onto its' 2nd
    hd and, the performance vanished. Even after uninstalling Norton Ghost 9.0,
    and dropping it back to the restore point I took immediately prior to
    installing Norton Ghost 9.0 - the performance didn't come back. Rather than
    research / dig / and try to find out how Ghost 9.0 had managed to cripple
    the thing with such lasting effects, that also survived it's uninstallation
    and registry entries etc - we wiped the thing and installed XP again from
    scratch !!

    regards, Richard

    RJK, Sep 14, 2008
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    RJK Guest

    Well said, and I'm pretty sure in his 2nd paragraph he was talking about AVG

    regards, Richard
    RJK, Sep 14, 2008
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    RJK Guest

    AVG hasn't lost its' lustre ! In fact AVG 8.0 has so much lustre that I
    often sit working through all that new "lustre" - wondering how to congure
    it all ! ...the link scanner is pretty impressive, though I've only ever
    seen one or two red X's on a Google search results list.

    regards, Richard
    RJK, Sep 14, 2008
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    Leonard Grey Guest


    My copy of XP Home SP 3 runs on a 6-year old Pentium 4 2.26 GHz.
    Kaspersky Internet Security 2009 runs in the background. I've got plenty
    of big software installed, like Office 2007. XP Home boots up quickly
    and runs quickly.
    Leonard Grey
    Errare humanum est
    Leonard Grey, Sep 14, 2008
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    RJK Guest

    ....congure = configure !

    regards, Richard
    RJK, Sep 14, 2008
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    RJK Guest

    ....of course it's "baloney," that was my attempt at being witty ! :)
    However, if a largish range of application software is installed without
    closely controlling what gets installed e.g. lots of XP services that are
    not really required, performance can take a hit.

    regards, Richard

    RJK, Sep 14, 2008
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    Leonard Grey Guest


    I have all of XP Home's default services running, plus whatever services
    have been added by my application software. Still runs quick.
    Leonard Grey, Sep 14, 2008
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    RJK Guest

    You need to read a little more carefully !
    I didn't say XP services, as you apprantly chose to misinterpret - I
    referred to services installed by application software installations.
    ....and I hope the lid detector service for YOUR flatbed scanner that's
    polling your cpu several times a second, and other crap that you allowed to
    be installed by lazily choosing they "Typical install" every time you
    installed a porgram, isn't slowing YOUR system down too much !

    kindest regards,


    RJK, Sep 14, 2008
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    Galen Guest

    My reply is at the bottom of your sent message.

    These results may interest you:

    Galen (Not Current MS-MVP)

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    "In solving a problem of this sort, the grand thing is to be able to reason
    backwards. That is a very useful accomplishment, and a
    very easy one, but people do not practise it much. In the every-day affairs
    of life it is more useful to reason forwards, and so
    the other comes to be neglected. There are fifty who can reason
    synthetically for one who can reason analytically." - Sherlock
    Galen, Sep 14, 2008
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