DHL Trojan email

Discussion in 'Virus Information' started by Daniel, Apr 25, 2010.

  1. Daniel

    Daniel Guest

    Hi

    I just received an email from someone that said it was from
    DHL but it contained a Trojan, why did Windows Security Essentials not pick
    it up?

    I found out it was a Trojan because I was suspicious and forwarded it to a
    PC
    where I run a different AV program.

    Cheers

    Daniel
     
    Daniel, Apr 25, 2010
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  2. Daniel

    Leythos Guest

    Why would you trust Microsoft to protect the computer at this stage in
    the game?

    Microsoft COULD have made the OS secure, but they opted for tight
    integration with all of their applications and to not rock the boat, to
    maintain users and profit numbers.

    Trusting microsoft to protect our computer is silly.
     
    Leythos, Apr 25, 2010
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  3. From: "Daniel" <>

    | Hi

    | I just received an email from someone that said it was from
    | DHL but it contained a Trojan, why did Windows Security Essentials not pick
    | it up?

    | I found out it was a Trojan because I was suspicious and forwarded it to a
    | PC where I run a different AV program.

    | Cheers

    | Daniel


    Chances are it is a Bredolab trojan.
     
    David H. Lipman, Apr 25, 2010
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  4. Daniel

    Daniel Guest

    And why would you bother posting in reply, it is not an answer to my
    question,
    but in answer to your question, I trust Microsoft because they have never
    let me down,
    it is not Microsoft's fault that all the Linux using virus writers are so
    busy writing
    viruses to attack them.

    Cheers

    Daniel
     
    Daniel, Apr 25, 2010
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  5. Daniel

    Daniel Guest

    Dave

    you are probably correct, but why did MSE not pick it up?

    Cheers

    Daniel
     
    Daniel, Apr 25, 2010
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  6. From: "Daniel" <>

    | Dave

    | you are probably correct, but why did MSE not pick it up?

    | Cheers

    | Daniel

    New variants being generated all the time. Do you still have a sample ?

    If yes, upload it to; http://www.uploadmalware.com/
     
    David H. Lipman, Apr 25, 2010
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  7. Daniel

    Daniel Guest

    Hi

    I'm not sure if I can get it, I have deleted it on this PC but it may be on
    my other PC, I will check when the household is awake.

    Cheers
     
    Daniel, Apr 25, 2010
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  8. You should understand the fact that *all* antimalware programs will miss
    some specimens - especially if it is a new variant,

    What was it, a phishing attempt?
    What AV program, and what did it identify the malware as?
     
    FromTheRafters, Apr 25, 2010
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  9. Daniel

    Leythos Guest

    I posted a reply because after all these decades I've learned, across
    thousands of computers and networks, to not trust Microsoft with
    Security for any reason.

    You're confusing what COULD be with what IS - Microsoft chooses to NOT
    secure the O/S because it would cost them market share as apps no longer
    work, as vendors would have to recode their apps, and because the
    foundation of their systems need to be less secure to allow the apps to
    communicate between each other as they have (not as they could).

    You already know the answer to your question, before you even posted it,
    because no vendor provides 100% protection against all malware, because
    new variants will always be created, because you're not willing to
    secure your OS at the level needed and work with the adjustments you
    would have to make.
     
    Leythos, Apr 25, 2010
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  10. Daniel

    Daniel Guest

    I see a lot of anti Microsoft rhetoric that is baseless, people just
    do not like success, there are NO secure OS so what do we do,
    not run computers??
    I have never been infected so Microsoft must be doing okay, for crying
    out loud, you don't even trust you best friend, well guess what, I do trust
    my best friend and Microsoft.
     
    Daniel, Apr 25, 2010
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  11. Daniel

    Daniel Guest

    Yes, I do understand, perhaps I did not word my OP
    well.
    I do not know
    AV Free and it is identified as Trojan Fakealert.

    cheers

    Daniel
     
    Daniel, Apr 25, 2010
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  12. Daniel

    Leythos Guest

    Dan, I'm not Anti-MS, in fact, quite the opposite - I make a LOT of
    money installing MS solutions and supporting MS based facilities, and
    all of them are secure and running without malware. What I've learned is
    that nothing MS produces protects users as well as combinations of
    third-party solutions.

    You would never catch me depending on MSE on any computer.
    How do you know if you're not testing your machine on a regular basis?

    You already posted the MS missed one malware sent by email, how do you
    know that your browser doesn't get exploited without you knowing?
     
    Leythos, Apr 25, 2010
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  13. Daniel

    Daniel Guest

    Okay, I see where you are coming from, I do use other Malware
    programs, Spybot, Adaware and Malwarebytes, weekly and I run HJT periodicly.

    cheers

    Daniel
     
    Daniel, Apr 26, 2010
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  14. Yet another rogue security (fake AV) scareware trojan. You are right to
    question MSE's missing of this trojan, but I'm willing to bet it could
    be asked of any other "AV Free" antimalware when they miss something
    that MSE doesn't. The most important fact that you mention is that *you*
    suspected it - it should have gone no further. If you constantly expose
    the anti-whatever to new threats, it is sure to miss some.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying MSE doesn't suck. The system MSE uses
    needs to have a history if it can hope to rise above the noise.
     
    FromTheRafters, Apr 26, 2010
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  15. Daniel

    Leythos Guest

    Having used about every reputable product on the market, after seeing
    something get through my corporate AV solution, one I use on my own
    network (or use too), I've switched to Avira and found that it's
    catching things that had never even alerted before.

    For the time being, I'm sticking with Avira and installing it for
    customers.
     
    Leythos, Apr 26, 2010
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  16. Daniel

    David Kaye Guest

    What is a trojan? A trojan is software that pretends to be something else.
    For instance, Weather Bug pretends to give you the weather, but when, for
    instance, you enter "Miami" for the Miami weather, you begin getting pop-ups
    for hotels in Miami when your browser is open. What they're doing is selling
    you stuff under the guise of giving you a weather gadget. So, technically
    Weather Bug is a trojan. But most people wouldn't call it a trojan. They'd
    just call it annoying.

    The problem with trojans is one of social engineering. How do you qualify
    what a trojan is if the result is something you may want, even if it's not
    portrayed that way?
     
    David Kaye, Apr 26, 2010
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  17. Daniel

    John Guest

    Doesn't sound like a lazy guy if he's willing to spend hours/days cleaning
    up crapware.
     
    John, Apr 27, 2010
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  18. From: "John" <a>

    | Doesn't sound like a lazy guy if he's willing to spend hours/days cleaning
    | up crapware.

    It does if he doesn't take the time to prevent it in the first place.
     
    David H. Lipman, Apr 27, 2010
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  19. Not lazy really, just completely irresponsible.

     
    FromTheRafters, Apr 28, 2010
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