Cannot work with my own files after system change (XP Pro SP3)

Discussion in 'Computer Security' started by drivesmecrazy, Mar 22, 2010.

  1. It seems I am a victim of security maniac DRM.
    Never touch a running system! Had I only stuck to that! I have finally
    accepted to change from WIN 2000 pro to WIN XP pro, fully installed with SP3
    and all available updates. My own files reside on partition E, I do daily 1:1
    unpacked backups which are stored in M and monthly backups from M to a extern
    disk.
    I formatted partition C for the change, left E and M untouched and kept the
    same user name (with Admin rights).

    After the system change, I could not even open my own main folder! I changed
    properly its owner to Administrators/COMPUTERNAME and made it to be inherited
    by all subfolders and -files. Now I can read the folders and subfolders and
    all the files' names but not open any file, be it doc or xls or jpg or pdf or
    any of the CS2 files. Some of the programs don't even tell why and some say:
    write-protected. But when I open the properties of the concerned file there
    is nowhere a check mark on write protection.
    By the way, some subfolders and files have to be kicked extra because they
    won't inherit rights from Daddy or Granddad. But it does not help much. Even
    with the whole flock belonging to the Administrators group I cannot open them.
    And the worst thing is - the copies behave in the same way, even on my
    extern disk.
    Some few of the files on my desktop and in my main folder are accessible - I
    don't know why.
    Is there anybody who can see the problem behind this behaviour?
     
    drivesmecrazy, Mar 22, 2010
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  2. Careful, crossposting to that group needlessly will get you labelled as
    a "troll".

    ....I'm just sayin' :eek:|

    The OP probably neglected to back up or import the certificate for the
    username that was "kept". Maybe settings made via calcs and/or takeown
    will work as a remedy?
     
    FromTheRafters, Mar 22, 2010
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  3. drivesmecrazy

    MEB Guest

    Well that [reformatting] would be the easiest, however, that means
    losing all those saved files unless a backup of those files was done
    prior to the OS change with the proper permissions. Apparently there was
    a failure to prepare the W2K system prior to the change-over.

    Instead, it would be better to suggest reviewing the other permission
    changes required, AND how to achieve that change.


    FOR EXAMPLE:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=change+W2K+file+permissions+to+XP

    How to set, view, change, or remove special permissions for files and
    folders in Windows XP
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308419

    How to create and delete hidden or administrative shares on client computers
    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q314984

    Of course there are other aspects which may need addressed so these are
    merely representative, perhaps others will attend to the specifics.

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    MEB, Mar 22, 2010
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  4. drivesmecrazy

    Peter Foldes Guest

    Hey Flash

    crossposting to another server (24hoursupport.helpdesk) does not work.from this MS
    server. Waste of bandwidth and a waste of everybody's time. Wake up and smell the
    roses. Unfriggin believable. Another stupid move from a brainless Troll

    --
    Peter

    Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
    Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
     
    Peter Foldes, Mar 22, 2010
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  5. I considered removing the crosspost, but my OE gives a message that
    24etc... can't be resolved (msnews server) so I used it as a test. It
    seems to have posted okay on the ES servers (as did your post below).
    This is being read and replied to using ES and OE.
     
    FromTheRafters, Mar 22, 2010
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  6. Hi,
    pls help me first before you eat each other up. Idiots are to be found in
    any part of the world so in every forum as well - that was nothing but a
    itchy bromide ... ;-)

    Formating all hard disks destroys my files the other way round - so what
    would this remedy help? The system is okay - the FILES are somehow stained,
    and as my whole work of the last years is in there, I would give anything to
    save them.

    I did not know there is a certificate. Last autumn, I changed my audio
    recording PC from 2k to XP and also kept my identity and there was (at least)
    no problem with my files. So I never expected a problem in that direction.

    I just tried to read my backup copies on this other PC. Its explorer seems
    to like colours and made every blocked file and folder green. All the same,
    by giving rights to EVERYBODY I could manage to blacken all the folders which
    contain subfolders but no file and no folder which contains only files.

    Then I connected my disk with my ibook which showed a shamefully loyal
    behaviour towards Win files. :-(
    It would not open them either but said that the file might be spoiled.

    Could the files be opened if I reinstall Win 2 K? As all my files outside of
    "my documents" are accessible, I could store all inside files outside and
    make new backups to the other PC and get them back from there? Could I?

    Well, this evening, I will try to read my backup files on my friend's PC
    which works on LINUX and gives a d... for rights management. Hopefully, it
    will behave loyal to ME.
     
    drivesmecrazy, Mar 22, 2010
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  7. <snipped>
    http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.security.homeusers/browse_frm/thread/eb1841bc6909b741/


    Ignore the title and follow the sub-section under "Advanced Troubleshooting"
    titled, "Method 1: Reset the registry and the file permissions"
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377
    *will take time
    (** Ignore the last step - you said you have SP3.)

    You should add a couple of additional lines to the script...

    subinacl /subdirectories E: /grant=administrators=f /grant=system=f
    subinacl /subdirectories M: /grant=administrators=f /grant=system=f

    Then run it.
     
    Shenan Stanley, Mar 22, 2010
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  8. Thanks for the links, MEB.

    I know the normal way of changing rights and sharing files and everything
    about it. The problem is that I AM owner of all those files and folders but
    the system couldn't care less about it. All those files having been stored as
    "my documents" in Win2k must have a secret message written on their front so
    when you try to open oder copy it, owner or not, with all rights or not,
    shared or not, you walk against a wall. I just tried to open them in LINUX,
    it's the same. For their diesenchantment, they seem to need the same sorcerer
    who enchanted them, and I fear that I will have to say welcome back, WIN2k
    (in two of your google-links I read that it deals with a bug; nice to meet it
    posthum!)
     
    drivesmecrazy, Mar 22, 2010
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  9. Hey, Peter. Boater Dave says he is *almost* as stupid as you seem to
    think he is (or something like that).

    (payback for calling me a fuckwit) :eek:D
     
    FromTheRafters, Mar 22, 2010
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  10. drivesmecrazy

    fixfox Guest

    Well, I have installed the program. But it won't open.
    Microsoft's page kb/949377 says: Start the editor. Sounds so simple
    and
    I would really like to do it. But instead of opening, it just blinks
    once and disappears.
    I tried it with path\filename in RUN, within a DOS-box and by dragging
    the file into an Ultra Edit Window. Nothing works.
     
    fixfox, Mar 22, 2010
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  11. I don't know why I found myself in a usenet when I wanted to ask you for
    some help. As I cannot see it here I prefer to ask you again:

    Well, I have installed subinacl.exe. But it won't open.
    Microsoft's page kb/949377 says: Start the editor. Sounds so simple and
    I would really like to do it. But instead of opening, it just blinks once
    and disappears.
    I tried it with path\filename in RUN, within a Dos-box and by dragging the
    file into an Ultra Edit Window. Nothing works.
    Somebody
     
    drivesmecrazy, Mar 22, 2010
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  12. <snipped>

    Actually - I do not see the words "start the editor" anywhere in the
    aforementioned KB article:
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377

    Let's see if you can do it if you are given a more detailed step-by-step set
    of instructions...

    First download and SAVE the subinacl.msi.

    Click here:
    http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/d/17d82b72-bc6a-4dc8-bfaa-98b37b22b367/subinacl.msi

    Select "Save", select "Desktop" from the left side and click on "Save".

    Find the "SubInAcl.msi" file on the desktop and double-click on it to
    install. (You do want to run it.) (Next, Accept, Next, Install Now,
    Finish...)

    Next - the notepad document...

    Start button --> RUN
    (no "RUN"? Press the "Windows Key" + R on your keyboard)
    --> type in:
    notepad
    --> Click OK.

    This should open the built-in notepad application.

    Visit http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377 and scroll down to "Method 1:
    Reset the registry and the file permissions" and highlight the text starting
    with "cd /d" and ending with "secsetup.sdb /verbose" under step 3 and copy
    it (CTRL+C or right-click and select copy) and then paste it into the
    notepad you opened above.

    Locate the line, "subinacl /subdirectories %SystemDrive%
    /grant=administrators=f /grant=system=f" in the document and go to the end
    of it using your mouse pointer or arrow keys and press ENTER to insert and
    empty line below it. Now add the following two lines there:

    subinacl /subdirectories E: /grant=administrators=f /grant=system=f
    subinacl /subdirectories M: /grant=administrators=f /grant=system=f

    Still in Notepad, select "File" --> "Save As" from the top. In the "Save
    As" dialog window that opens, click on "Desktop" from the left side. Change
    the "Save as type:" to "All Files" and in the "File name" area type in
    reset.cmd. Click on "Save". Close Notepad.

    Now find the "reset.cmd" on the desktop and double-click on it. It will
    start running. May take several minutes - or longer - depending on just how
    much stuff you have on C, E and M...
     
    Shenan Stanley, Mar 22, 2010
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  13. drivesmecrazy

    fixfox Guest

    Hi Shenan,
    thank you for so much explanation! ;-)
    Well, I have the german version of the 949377 and it says under 2.
    Start THE editor.
    This had been so confusing because I thought that the subinacl.exe had
    THE said editor as a part of it.
    They meant any editor, of course. When I understood this, I understood
    the rest. Waiting for your answer, I tried it, using only Ultra Edit
    instead of Notepad ;-) and the Reset.cmd started finally. But there
    was a lot of syntax error warnings and the system said that for each
    command before "secedit configure ..." that it would not be processed,
    so it went rather quick because it left E. and M. out. It only
    produced lots of nice execution lines for the last command.
    Besides, I would have to add another line for J:, (my external drive)
    because all the old stuff not any longer stored on my PC, which I
    might perhaps need godknowswhen, is corrupted as well. On the other
    side, I can open and change every file in the system drive and in the
    Windows folder so that these two lines are perhaps unnecessary.

    Now I have checked the registry and find nowhere a "grant=f" entry. I
    have opened the %windir%\svcpack.log but it deals with my first SP2
    update which I interrupted after some minutes. So I have no idea if
    the entries have been made or not.

    In the case you think that I made a mistake in the Reset.cmd, I just
    paste the whole content here:

    cd /d "%ProgramFiles%\Windows Resource Kits\Tools"
    subinacl /subkeyreg HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE /grant=administrators=f /
    grant=system=f
    subinacl /subkeyreg HKEY_CURRENT_USER /grant=administrators=f /
    grant=system=f
    subinacl /subkeyreg HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT /grant=administrators=f /
    grant=system=f
    subinacl /subdirectories %SystemDrive% /grant=administrators=f /
    grant=system=f
    subinacl /subdirectories %windir%\*.* /grant=administrators=f /
    grant=system=f
    subinacl /subdirectories E: /grant=administrators=f /grant=system=f
    subinacl /subdirectories M: /grant=administrators=f /grant=system=f
    secedit /configure /cfg %windir%\repair\secsetup.inf /db secsetup.sdb /
    verbose

    Couldn't one write the entries directly into the registry? I have got
    the impression that It would be easier.
    Thank you very much for your concern
    Luise
     
    fixfox, Mar 22, 2010
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  14. drivesmecrazy

    fixfox Guest

    I have tried it now with a little change: Instead of %Program Files% I
    wrote %programme%,
    and now the reset.cmd is very busy - but it seems rather senseless to
    me. The lines go so fast that you can only read them by making a
    screenshot, and what I read there does not seem right to me:
    A thousand times it produces the same two lines:

    C:\path to my desktop>subinacl /subkeyreg HKEY_CURRENT_USER /
    grant=administrators=f /
    grant=system=f
    oncd "Programme\Windows\Resource Kits Tools"subinacl /subkeyreg
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE /grant=administrators=f /
    grant=system=f

    In the said order, i.e. the other way round, and the path missing for
    the first command.
    And nothing but that, for about 8 or 10 minutes now. I think I stop it
    for the moment, and if you tell me that this is normal, I will start
    it again.
     
    fixfox, Mar 22, 2010
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  15. From: "~BD~" <>

    Once again PROVING you are a F'n Troll with you abusive Cross-Posting to the troll group
    where even the trolls think you are a bloody idiot!
     
    David H. Lipman, Mar 22, 2010
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  16. From: "drivesmecrazy" <>

    | It seems I am a victim of security maniac DRM.
    | Never touch a running system! Had I only stuck to that! I have finally
    | accepted to change from WIN 2000 pro to WIN XP pro, fully installed with SP3
    | and all available updates. My own files reside on partition E, I do daily 1:1
    | unpacked backups which are stored in M and monthly backups from M to a extern
    | disk.
    | I formatted partition C for the change, left E and M untouched and kept the
    | same user name (with Admin rights).

    | After the system change, I could not even open my own main folder! I changed
    | properly its owner to Administrators/COMPUTERNAME and made it to be inherited
    | by all subfolders and -files. Now I can read the folders and subfolders and
    | all the files' names but not open any file, be it doc or xls or jpg or pdf or
    | any of the CS2 files. Some of the programs don't even tell why and some say:
    | write-protected. But when I open the properties of the concerned file there
    | is nowhere a check mark on write protection.
    | By the way, some subfolders and files have to be kicked extra because they
    | won't inherit rights from Daddy or Granddad. But it does not help much. Even
    | with the whole flock belonging to the Administrators group I cannot open them.
    | And the worst thing is - the copies behave in the same way, even on my
    | extern disk.
    | Some few of the files on my desktop and in my main folder are accessible - I
    | don't know why.
    | Is there anybody who can see the problem behind this behaviour?

    Did you take ownership of the files via NTFS permissions ?

    New OS means news user SIDs.
     
    David H. Lipman, Mar 22, 2010
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  17. From: "~BD~" <.>

    | Just why did Peter say that I wonder?

    | Mr Lipman seems to think it does work.

    | FTR *knows* it does.


    | Just *how* can a cross-post be *abusive*?

    Simply because the Microsoft news group; m.p.security.homeusers is totally apropos to the
    subject matter and there is/was NO reason to x-post it elsewhere. The same way you have
    doen with scorched-earth.

    You are NOT helping, you are hindering. What's worse, you don't even see what you are
    doing is WRONG. So many have told you it is wrong but you won't listen and you fail to
    learn from your mistakes.

    Based upon your actions I can see why you were thrown out from aumha.net and baecause you
    were JUSTLY thrown out you have this vindivcative preocupation with aumha.net and anything
    to do with the site or those who are on it.

    My G-d !

    Since you fail to learn from mistakes I can see why you were victimized. You are an easy
    mark, a pidgeon.

    As for why a x-posted message may or may not appear outside the Microsoft hierarchy I
    already explained that to you. Yet, you FAIL to learn.
     
    David H. Lipman, Mar 22, 2010
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  18. Oh, yes, you are!
     
    PA Bear, MS MVP, Mar 22, 2010
    #18
  19. Not in so many words, I paraphrased. :eek:)
     
    FromTheRafters, Mar 22, 2010
    #19
  20. Hi Shenan,
    I found out the mistake: %ProgramFiles% was okay, but "administrators" was
    the syntax error. It had to be "administratoren" (german). Now the program
    has done its whole work and in the log file there is no "failed"-entry, but
    alas, it did not help. I have the same situation as before. The system gives
    a dreck for my owner rights. Think I need a good hacker ... :)
    Thanks nevertheless for your attention.
     
    drivesmecrazy, Mar 22, 2010
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