BT customers may sue over internet rogue-dialling scam

Discussion in 'Spyware' started by Irish, May 23, 2004.

  1. No, I wouldn't - you'd be quite right, but the individuals didn¹t just sit
    at the PC so to speak, and do nothing. They took the controls and attempted
    to do things for which they were clearly unqualified (getting mixed up
    between the two points here)

    It was not about your ability
    That¹s true , but once you take control and use something, you become
    responsible for your actions.

    In simpler terms, if a 6 year old kid gets in a car and tries to drive and
    crashes it, who is at fault ?

    The Kid obviously ..... Not the Highways Agency, not the manufacturer, not
    the owner..... Wait for it.

    The parents are liable for the damage etc, the parents are possibly
    responsible for not keeping an eye on their kids (which is a separate but
    related issue as to what the kid actually does), but the fundamental to the
    point is that the kid is at prime facie fault for trying to drive a car,
    while untrained, unqualified etc.
    Graham in Melton, May 25, 2004
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  2. On 25/5/04 10:17 am, in article , "GwG"

    but he did not call either camp stupid. Did he?
    Just to clarify ....

    Being untrained does not make you stupid, it just makes you untrained

    Being inexperienced does not make you stupid, it just makes you

    But anyone who embarks on something that requires experience and training,
    without training and experience, is, IMO "plain stupid"

    There's nothing wrong with being stupid - you just have to look around and
    you'll find it not uncommon :)

    But pretending that you're not stupid, when you plainly are stupid makes you
    just as stupid and its obvious to everyone who is and isn't stupid, how
    really stupid you are (I'm taking the mickey here BTW)

    The point is - be responsible for your actions - and part of the action of
    having a family is taking care of the kids so when THEY do stupid things,
    you don't have to pay out £600 in telephone bills or worse, lose them in a
    silly accident with a mains plug, because you think its someone elses
    problem to teach them about the dangers in life.

    Again, the Internet is not safe, it never has been and the users must take
    care - "Here be Dragons" as the old maps used to say.
    Graham in Melton, May 25, 2004
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  3. Irish

    Andy Pandy Guest

    Good job there are stupid people in the world then, otherwise nothing new would
    ever get invented.
    Andy Pandy, May 25, 2004
  4. Irish

    infospy Guest

    Wouldn't this discussion be more appropriate at some chat room or a flame
    war news group?

    I is really doing no good here.

    infospy, May 25, 2004
  5. Irish

    GwG Guest

    Are you a rapper?
    GwG, May 25, 2004
  6. Irish

    Ian G Batten Guest

    That's true. However, I've forgotten who it was (apart from me) that
    said ``Computers are sold as brown goods, bought as white goods, but are
    really ham radio equipment'', but it's true. No one tells people who
    buy PCs that they are buying something more complex than a washer-dryer,
    and for people who just want to browse a few websites and send and
    receive email it is entirely unreasonable to expect them to do more than
    they have to do to operate a video recorder.

    Ian G Batten, May 25, 2004
  7. What discussion? You haven't provided any context before your comment. Oh,
    and you left a ream of untrimmed irrelevance at the end of your comment for
    some reason.

    See if this helps:
    Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics), May 25, 2004
  8. That¹s your viewpoint, but I disagree. People who buy something and then
    don't RTFM are just as stupid.

    However as a VCR can't run up a bill, then the consequences are limited.
    Graham in Melton, May 25, 2004
  9. but a Cable or satellite box can !
    Martyn Hodson, May 25, 2004

  10. Explain how ?

    I thought you paid a monthly subscription and without specifically ringing a
    number to get access to PPV, the cable or satellite box can't do anything ?

    If they can, the you're stupid for not RTFM !
    Graham in Melton, May 25, 2004
  11. Irish

    Ivor Jones Guest

    anything ?

    Sky boxes in particular are required to be connected to a phone line for
    the 1st 12 months. What the software in the box is doing with the phone
    line is open to conjecture, but it's the primary reason why I won't have
    one. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I don't *know* what it's doing so I
    don't trust it..!

    Ivor Jones, May 25, 2004
  12. Irish

    Nick Guest

    Yep, agree 100%

    I work in comms/computing & frankly from the customers/users that I've come
    across, I'd say that over 60% are UNFIT to be on the net.
    No or out of date virus checker, no firewall, click on all links or open
    unknown email attachments.

    Stupid is an understatment.

    There should be a test (like a driving test) which needs to be passed before
    being allowed on the net.
    Nick, May 25, 2004
  13. Irish

    Nick Guest

    Truth hurt ??
    Nick, May 25, 2004
  14. Irish

    Nick Guest

    No problems. I instructed my wife/kids on the ways of the net (every bugger
    is out to screw you up).

    I've told them that it's my BB connection, my home network, & that I & I
    alone control the virus checkers/firewalls.
    DON'T click on things if you don't know what the result will be, NEVER EVER
    open unknown attachments.

    The result of ignoring my advice/instructions will be, their RJ45 plug being
    removed from the network hub (& never going in again).

    So far, they ain't been stupid :)
    Nick, May 25, 2004
  15. On Sunday, in article
    "obsidian" wrote:

    [Referring to an innocuous post from Bob Eager, and top-posting]
    No it doesn't; your fuckwitted inadequate software *imagines* that an
    attachment is present, merely from the juxtaposition of ordinary
    English-language words.

    To avoid being misled again by these non-existent "attachments", ditch
    Microsoft's Outlook (or Outlook Express) and get a real newsreader.

    [Whilst you're at it, visit <> to
    learn how properly to post to uk.* (and all other) newsgroups.]
    Brian {Hamilton Kelly}, May 26, 2004
  16. Irish

    infospy Guest

    At last we have found the "God of the internet". What other words of wisdom
    do you have for us today?
    infospy, May 26, 2004
  17. Irish

    Ian G Batten Guest

    Does the FM sold with a PC say anything about this problem?

    Ian G Batten, May 26, 2004
  18. Irish

    S Guest

    Does anyone actually leave their Sky boxes connected up though? Ours
    was disconnected at installation before the engineer had even pulled
    away and we've never had any problem or complaints from $ky. If they
    ever do get on our backs I'll tell them the kids pulled it out :)
    There's no way I'm risking anyone 'going Interactive' with my phone bill.
    S, May 26, 2004
  19. Irish

    Gordon Brown Guest

    Yes, lots of people do - especially if you have a second/mirrored
    subscription. There are numerous reports on the Internet that if you leave
    the Sky box to your mirror subscription unplugged, you will initially get
    nasty letters from Sky. Apparently ignoring these warnings will result in
    the mirror subscriptions being charged at the full going rate!
    Gordon Brown, May 26, 2004
  20. This is indeed true - I have had the letters and threats to charge two
    regular subscription rates. The connected digiboxes seem to be
    checked for their outbound CLI every month, where you have a mirror

    The downside to this is that my spouse and children could press RED
    and charges may then be incurred. There is no easy way to defeat
    Hiram Hackenbacker, May 26, 2004
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