BT customers may sue over internet rogue-dialling scam

Discussion in 'Spyware' started by Irish, May 23, 2004.

  1. Irish

    Lurch Guest

    Erm, tee-hee.
    Lurch, May 23, 2004
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  2. Well when you think about it again, unless they're doing it illegally, there
    is always a terms and conditions package that goes along with it. Now I know
    most people don't want to read through it, but at least click find and
    search for "$" to see if it costs money...

    And if it doesn't come with a terms and conditions -- it's illegal to charge
    money and does not have to be paid. Just contest it with your phone company
    or whomever...

    -- Matt
    Matthew Del Buono, May 23, 2004
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  3. Irish

    Ian Guest

    Also I feel most of them will drop their cases when The site they
    visited to get the offending dialer comes to light, Odds on its maybe
    a little seedy. Also no one has any excuse not to have upto date
    anti-virus software.

    Ian, May 23, 2004
  4. I find this pathetic.

    Why should BT have to waste money protecting some customers from their
    own stupidity?

    Graham Wilson, May 23, 2004
  5. Irish

    Nuddystars Guest

    We fought and subsequently won an appeal against exactly the same thing
    only this time it was Tuvalu and a whole host of sh*t which had been
    charged to me. Problem it was a high value sex chat line and I was born

    Paul :0)
    Nuddystars, May 23, 2004
  6. 0870 numbers can generate 1p per minute for the owner of the number.

    Graham Wilson, May 23, 2004
  7. Irish

    Andy Pandy Guest

    No it doesn't. Outlook Express has a "facility" whereby if any line in a post
    starts with "begin" followed by two spaces OE thinks what follows is an
    attachment. This probably contravenes usenet standards, and Microsoft haters
    sometimes deliberately have a signature starting in this way to try to fool OE
    users into thinking there's an attachment on the post, so they can claim you've
    got a crap newsreader.

    If you can be bothered, open the post and save it to your desktop, then open it
    with notepad and you'll see it the same as those who reckon they've got proper
    newsreaders see it.
    Andy Pandy, May 23, 2004
  8. What are you on about. If you (or equipment you own/control) dials a
    number the phone company will connect it and charge you. Read the T&C
    for a BT line - they make that clear. What is to contest with the phone
    Rev Adrian Kennard, May 23, 2004
  9. Irish

    Peter Guest

    So can you please clarify the point - does an international call
    generate revenue for anyone other than either the terminating telcos
    or any telcos that carry the call?



    Remove the INVALID to reply
    Peter, May 23, 2004
  10. Irish

    Peter Guest

    So are you saying that it is the Sao Tome telco that is the benficary
    of these isdialled calls? or is there a way for a Sao Tome Mrs Miggins
    type to also benefit by creaming off a slice of the money?



    Remove the INVALID to reply
    Peter, May 23, 2004
  11. Irish

    Bob Eager Guest

    Both - telco and Mrs Miggins.
    Bob Eager, May 23, 2004
  12. It may do, yes. It will depend on arrangements with the terminating
    telco, and some of the smaller countries may make such arrangements.
    Rev Adrian Kennard, May 23, 2004
  13. Irish

    -=ô;ö-=- Guest

    Ok Matt..visit a few sites of interest...a few of even the most reputable
    ones have ads that have been hi-jacked to divert you to another site(case in
    point, see LL Bean's problem)..some of thse so-called nice ads may actually
    include embedded dialers that install under the radar(if you are not
    security concious) and will try to dail out the next time you try to sign on
    to your ISP, a dialer will even attempt to dial out even while you are
    connected on broadband via your old analog modem that is still connected to
    the phone line(happened to me, untill I found the culprit and then removed
    my old modem from my system, to keep such from happening)..but these dialers
    are rather unsuccessful on my line anyway, since I have no long distance
    allowed(due to wife's bloody kids running up $600 in excess accepting
    collect calls from friends)..but the point is, these dialers in most part
    are sneaky and by the time realization hits, that is when you notice the
    bill and it may be too late in a few cases, but BT has admitted to knowing
    of the scam and therefore responsible for fixing the problem.
    -=ô;ö-=-, May 23, 2004
  14. Irish

    Stephen Wray Guest

    But the problem is not with BT, the problem is with end users running dodgy
    dialers on their computers. They could always get call barrier for all
    international and premium rate numbers.

    Stephen Wray, May 23, 2004
  15. It is the last bit that makes no sense. Everyone reading this group
    "knows of the scam" so are we all "responsible for fixing the problem".

    Of course BT are not responsible for fixing it. They are doing what
    *you* tell them - i.e. you pick up the phone and dial a number and they
    connect it. In fact your computer does this. It is not their computer or
    their software, they are doing what they have been contracted to do and
    charge you accordingly. They connect calls dialled from your line. That
    is their job.

    What aspect of BTs contract do you think they are breaking by connecting
    these calls. If they are not breaking their contract then they can
    collect payment as per the contract. End of story.
    Rev Adrian Kennard, May 23, 2004
  16. Irish

    Mark Evans Guest

    Is it BT's job to police numbers managed by some other
    Since BT stands for *British* Telecom US law is utterly
    irrelevant to the issue.
    Mark Evans, May 23, 2004
  17. Irish

    Gordon Brown Guest

    So when did Ofcom elected BT to be a policeman?

    I am aware of various Internet scams (mostly I am the third cousin of
    President XYZ, etc). Does it make me responsible to stop these scam?
    Gordon Brown, May 24, 2004
  18. Ermmm, NO IT DOESN'T. You on the other hand are still posting upside down
    and not trimming, despite the help and advice you have been offerred in the

    AJL Electronics (G6FGO) Ltd : Satellite and TV aerial systems :

    ** Would you like to learn to post effectively? **
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    Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics), May 24, 2004
  19. However BT have decided to block access to numbers being displayed on
    their callboxes without permission. Clearly BT will police such
    numbers when it suits them.

    Perhaps BT should take a similar approach to numbers terminating
    overseas where there is clear evidence that a scam is involved. It
    would get my vote.
    Hiram Hackenbacker, May 24, 2004
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    That is in BTs interests. They do not want payphones littered with crap.
    That is not in their interests, and as they make money from calls, their
    commercial interests are to allow such calls.

    If you want to vote - get your BT shares and go to the next AGM. That is
    the appropriate place to vote.

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    Rev Adrian Kennard
    Andrews & Arnold Ltd / AAISP

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