AV & Fire Wall - need recomendation

Discussion in 'Virus Information' started by Jim-Almquist, Jun 18, 2004.

  1. Jim-Almquist

    Jim-Almquist Guest

    I'm still in the dark ages using WIN98se and as such, "resources" are a
    I have been using McAfee AV and ZoneAlarm which brings my "resources" down
    to 72% with nothing else running.
    I've been told that both of programs require substantially more "resources"
    than some other programs.
    Would I benefit by using Norton with their Fire Wall? or perhaps McAfee's
    combination package? Or is there another solution from one of the "lesser
    knowns" that should be considered?
    OR, is there a web site that would offer this type of comparison?
    thanks for any thoughts, Jim
    Jim-Almquist, Jun 18, 2004
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    taff Guest

    Try AVG free AV.


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    taff, Jun 18, 2004
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    Phil Weldon Guest

    Since your system is limited, you could try several approaches to safety.

    As for resources at 72% with just McAfee and Zone Alarm, the real question
    is how much free resoures you have when running several programs in addition
    to these two. The 'free resources' reported by Windows SE is the amount of
    space in three 'heaps' of memory set aside for keeping track of all the
    programs, windows, and other details of operation. With Windows 98 SE and
    earlier Windows operating systems, the resource limits have nothing to do
    with the memory installed; it is a limitation of the operating system.
    Even without ANY programs running (McAfee and Zone Alarm also not running),
    you will still see 'free resources' at less than 100%.

    In other words, don't borrow trouble. If you don't notice a slow down WITH
    McAfee and Zone Alarm compared to WITHOUT, then the 'free resources'
    percentage has no practical effect. On the other hand, if you DO notice a
    slow down WITH McAfee and Zone Alarm, the problem may be too little main
    memory (causing parts of programs to be swapped to and from the hard drive
    resulting in a severe slow down) and/or too little free space on your hard
    drive (limiting the swap file size) and/or severe fragmentation of your hard

    What kind of hardware system do you have? How much memory and how much free
    space do you have on your hard drive? You might benefit from adding memory
    (which would help ALL of your activities, not just firewall and antivirus
    protection.) Any antivirus program, any software firewall will use
    processing power, memory space, and hard drive space. If you are going to
    use this kind of protection you will have to give up some of your system
    processing power. The 'free resources' percentage is not affected by any
    hardware; you could have a Pentium 4 3.4 GHz Extreme Edition, a Gbyte of
    RAM, and a 200 Gbyte hard drive; as long as you use Windows 98 SE the 'free
    resources' used up will remain the same.

    One thing you can do is use a hardware firewall. You can get a simple one
    built into a router or wireless base station for less than $100 US; this
    will protect against attacks via unsolicited contacts from the internet, and
    will always be in effect, using no resources from your system.

    If your hardware is able to handle the load, you might consider upgrading
    to Windows 2000 or Windpws XP, either of which will solve your perceived
    'free resources' problem.

    Remember, however, you may not really HAVE a free resources problem. Form
    the information your provided, it is not possible to tell.

    Phil Weldon, pweldonatmindjumpdotcom
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    Phil Weldon, Jun 18, 2004
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    Jim Guest

    Wow Phil - that's a mouth full!
    First I d/l & installed AVG and the resource numbers were about the same as
    McAfee - very little gain here.
    With a fresh boot up, only OE and AVG running - resources were at 85%. Then
    I started ZoneAlarm and resources dropped to 72%. If I then open either my
    genealogy program or MS WORD, resources drop to 52% and after using either
    program for a while, resources drop below 50%. At this point there seems to
    be a little slow down of the system but not really bad - I could live with
    it, except for the occasional crash.
    Since installing ZA and giving up 10-12% of resources to use ZA and getting
    down under 50%, I've had several WIN crashes, where I almost never
    experienced them before.
    I have 128MB RAM installed on a 'puter with an Athalon 800gh processor.
    Hard drive has 25 gigs free. I "almost" doubled the RAM yesterday, but knew
    that it wouldn't free up any resources so decided to save my money (tightwad
    The idea of a hardware firewall has some appeal - don't think I'd ever
    upgrade the operating system 'til it's time to get a new 'puter. Seems that
    my problem, perceived or not, started when I added ZA, but after see the
    volume of crap that has been stopped by the firewall, I don't think I could
    sleep good without one. (ignorance is bliss).
    I thank you for your input and suggestions. Very much appreciated.
    Jim, Jun 18, 2004
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    Phil Weldon Guest

    Jim, thanks for the reply. I agree with you that you should just wait till
    you get an entirely new system before upgrading, especially since 128 Mbytes
    would give very limited success with either Windows 2000 or Windows XP. And
    while you might find memory for your system at a very low price, it
    certainly won't be useful in a new system. Though more memory would allow
    you to upgrade your operating system thus eliminating the 'free resources'
    problem, as well as the vast majority of crashes from other causes. I'd
    estimate the stability of Windows 2000 and Windows XP at about 100 to 1
    compared to Windows 98 SE based solely on number of crashes.

    The nice thing about a hardware firewall is that it will work equally well
    with any computer you might choose.

    Phil Weldon, pweldonatmindjumpdotcom
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    replace "mindjump" with "mindspring."
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    Phil Weldon, Jun 19, 2004
  6. Greetings --

    You'll get nearly as many differing opinions as you will

    I used, and recommended, Norton Antivirus and then Norton Internet
    Security, for many years, on Win98, WinNT, Win2K, and WinXP, all
    without any significant problems. I had used McAfee prior to that.
    But it's been several years since I've been tempted to try McAfee
    products. Their quality seemed to take a steep nose-dive after they
    were acquired by Network Associates.

    However, when my subscription to Symantec's updates for Norton
    Internet Security 2002 came up for renewal (at a cost substantially
    higher than the preceding year's subscription), I decided to try less
    expensive solutions. I downloaded and installed the free version of
    GriSoft's AVG (http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php ) and the
    free version of Sygate's Personal Firewall
    (http://smb.sygate.com/free/default.php ). Both have proven to be
    easily installed, easy to use, and quite effective. Additionally, I
    was pleasantly surprised to see a small but very noticeable
    improvement in my PC's performance, once I'd replaced the Symantec

    Bruce Chambers
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    You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
    having both at once. - RAH
    Bruce Chambers, Jun 19, 2004
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