Anti-virus + Anti-spyware: Latest software opinions

Discussion in 'Spyware' started by Thomas G. Marshall, Jan 27, 2005.

  1. Sigh. Once again.

    "Which is best?" is a question that gets asked a great many times in this
    group, and I've been following the trends for a while, but am lost as to
    what the /current/ opinions are. So hopefully, this post isn't a simple
    rehash of all the others in the last couple weeks.

    Used to be it was McAfee vs. Norton for AV, and that was all there was worth
    mentioning in the AV universe. The others were piddling nothingness.

    Now it seems that there are a lot of accolades for other apps in the AV
    arena. Basically I run both Norton and AVG (Norton full time, and avg "once
    in a while").

    I am mostly concerned with bandwidth impact of my continually running 2003
    NAV auto-protect.

    1. What is the best AV considered to be these days?
    2. Which AV has the least impact on the system (perhaps this need not be a
    separate question).
    3. Is McAfee considered to be a bigger hog of cpu bandwidth?
    4. What is everyone's favorite anti-spyware? I am using AdAware, but am
    intrigued by McAfee's new app.

    *And the whopper spyware question* :

    5. Is microsoft's new and free anti-spyware application any good?
    Thomas G. Marshall, Jan 27, 2005
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    Lance Guest

    Thomas G. Marshall thought carefully and wrote on 1/26/2005 9:34 PM:
    It's still beta. So no, it's not good yet.

    Lance, Jan 27, 2005
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    Tom Guest

    I have been using Nortons for a couple of years without any problems , I
    have seen in some of the threads that a lot of
    people have had some problems with it. I have also installed AVG and AntiVir
    on a few other computers, both seem ok.

    I have been using Microsoft's anti-spyware for a little while and it seems
    ok, but I also run the following.

    Spybot S&D
    Hosts file from
    I also use a few other utilities like XP antispy,upnp,Dcombob,gdiscan and
    some Windows process monitors.
    Tom, Jan 27, 2005
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    Gary Guest

    For detection it's Kaspersky.
    Gary, Jan 27, 2005
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    Clive Guest

    Kaspersky Pro here. Also just started using MS Anti Spyware, which was
    originally owned by Giant.

    Clive, Jan 27, 2005
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    Will James Guest

    I believe both Escan and NOD32 both use the Kaspersky engine- does this mean
    basically they are the same product as Kaspersky just under different names?

    Will James, Jan 27, 2005
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    optikl Guest

    NOD does *not* use the Kaspersky engine. I'm not sure they are even
    written in the same programming language.
    optikl, Jan 27, 2005
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    Moe Hair Guest

    I once read a letter to an editor that put it perfectly.
    If the automakers made cars like MS makes an operating system, there would
    be callbacks every hour, and breaks failing every microsecond.
    Moe Hair, Jan 27, 2005
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    Moe Hair Guest

    how is the MS anti-spyware and did you ever try Avast before you used
    Moe Hair, Jan 27, 2005
  10. Moe Hair coughed up:
    And using their rules, cars would stop in the middle of the road and turn
    off for no reason. And everyone would think that it's to be expected.
    Thomas G. Marshall, Jan 27, 2005
  11. skydiver coughed up:

    Ok, wait a sec. I'm reading over and over the following:

    Avast is great

    and now I'm also reading in this thread

    Kaperksy is great

    *How are these two compared to NAV and McAfee* ?

    And do either Kapersky or Avast have reasonable anti-spyware?

    Thomas G. Marshall, Jan 27, 2005
  12. They are far less expensive, especially Avast.
    They are anti-virus programs, not anti-spyware programs. See:

    There is no one-does-everything application. Practicing safe hex is
    the best "program" though.
    Was it the beans? :)
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Jan 27, 2005
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    Ian Kenefick Guest

    Agreed whole heartedly! There is no perfect 'all in one' product. Now
    here is an analogy - It's a lot like Shampoo and Conditioner - ever
    though the Shampoo and Conditioner all in one is convienient and even
    cheaper in most cases - two seperate products, a very good shampoo and
    a very good consitioner - sometimes from different brands - offer the
    best results :)

    Ian Kenefick
    Ian Kenefick, Jan 27, 2005
  14. On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:34:52 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"

    For my money F-Secure Anti-virus is the best thing going.
    Probably, F-Prot or Nod32.
    Huh? What? Assuming you have reasonably up to date hardware and
    sufficient RAM who cares. My primary workstation is 1.6GHz P4 with 1GB
    of RAM... I can't see any difference in performance with F-Secure
    running versus not running.
    I've got both Adaware and Spybot S&D installed... Neither of them has
    ever found anything other than the occasion "tracking cookie".
    Hmm... Ummm.... Err... I suppose that depends on how you define
    "good". Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten meter cattle prod.


    Jeff Setaro
    PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 New RSA: 0xA19EBD34
    Jeffrey A. Setaro, Jan 27, 2005
  15. Kaspersky has the ability to detect spyware... It's not enabled by
    default though. I memory serves there's an option in the updater to
    include the spyware detection information in the updates.


    Jeff Setaro
    PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 New RSA: 0xA19EBD34
    Jeffrey A. Setaro, Jan 27, 2005
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    Ian Kenefick Guest

    In current version 5.0 of KAV you select the 'Extended Database'
    option in the updater options. In versions previous to 5.0 you must
    change the update url from the /updates to /updates_x

    Ian Kenefick
    Ian Kenefick, Jan 27, 2005
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    Ian Kenefick Guest

    Overall detection - reaction times to new threats : yes, certainly one
    of the best.
    Yep - I agree with you here!
    There is a noticeable difference - without question - I'm surprised
    you don't notice - I have similar spec machines also running FSAV
    Giant Antispyware was an excellent program and MS Antispyware is no
    different - except for the fact they dont update is as often.

    Ian Kenefick
    Ian Kenefick, Jan 27, 2005
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    Roger Wilco Guest

    "Thomas G. Marshall"
    "Doing the same thing and expecting different results is a sign of
    insanity" ;)
    Maybe they had the advertising capital that others did not. They are
    both good, but they are not the only good ones.
    Sounds good.
    Yep, it's a hog.
    IMO Kapersky, F-prot, and Sophos (and maybe Norman's sandbox too). I
    base my opinion on the lack of problems reported in the virus related
    newsgroups, and from good detection rates as reported also. McAfee and
    Norton have added too much fluff which bogs down the systems for some
    peeps, but they have good detection.
    Almost any on-demand AV.
    Depends on how much stuff (fluff) you have it doing.
    Prevention - safe hex.
    Clean-up if prevention fails - both Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D (CWShredder
    if CWS is what gotcha).
    Hmmm, never looked into it myself.
    Probably, but with any MS product (even one bought from another company)
    it is best to let others test it for you. It wouldn't suprise me much if
    that app had vulnerabilities or trapdoors.
    Roger Wilco, Jan 27, 2005
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    GEO Me Guest

    Very apt comparison, but it seems that many people are used to the
    Windows model in which one product does everything. Many users don't
    want to have to bother learning and deciding among different programs.
    If users can't even learn to differenciate between Microsoft and its
    programs, you will have people going to a second hand store wanting to
    buy MS Word, and saying that they want to buy Microsoft (as told by
    the owner of the store).

    GEO Me, Jan 27, 2005
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    Will James Guest

    I tried Avast free but it missed a nasty trojan associated with Freshbar
    which Kaspersky Personal Pro caught so I switched. You can compare antivirus
    record here:

    Will James, Jan 27, 2005
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