Alerting - Malicious software removal tool

Discussion in 'Virus Information' started by Jeepn, Nov 25, 2008.

  1. No program is going to remove **ALL** the malware on a machine. You are
    holding M/S to much higher standards than any company is able to attain.
    Please show me a program that will do what you expect MRT to do!

    Quote from you: You can test this yourself - take a infected machine,
    something simple,
    20-30 trojans and other things, run the MSRT, then go back and run other
    major tools, you WILL find that the MSRT missed a LOT.

    A hunter goes out into the woods with the intention of harvesting 6
    squirrels, 4 rabbits , a pheasant and a coyote. After 6 hours in the woods
    he gets all of this game.

    He didn't shoot a deer. Does that make him a bad hunter - when he didn't set
    out to bag a deer?




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    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience


     
    Richard Urban, Dec 3, 2008
    #81
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  2. Jeepn

    Leythos Guest

    Please show me any of the major NON-MS products that don't remove MORE
    malware than the MSRT.

    Please explain how almost every product on the market out performs that
    MSRT at malware removal, and that includes most FREE anti-malware apps.

    You seem to be under the impression that if a tool removes 1 malware
    item from X number of computers, that it's a good tool.

    So, if that's the case, then all malware tools that remove MORE malware
    items than the MSRT are BETTER tools.

    When we look at cleaning machines we look at the overall result, not
    just that a few malware items were removed and that the machine is still
    infect, we expect a malware removal tool to remove MOST if not all of
    them.

    Yes, you are right, and I've never said otherwise, there is not a single
    anti-malware tool on the market that removes everything all the time.

    If you ignore the MS hype, the MSRT, auto-distributed, is a good tool at
    removing malware that it targets, but we don't really know that to be
    true - we don't know how many times it failed to remove malware it
    targets.

    So, taken on the basis of what we know to be fact, MS releases a MSRT
    that gets updates and is installed on MOST windows computers, it reports
    back to MS when it removes malware. We are told that it's report back
    many times that it's worked. What we are NOT told is how many times it
    failed to remove malware it targeted.

    If you had a choice between the MSRT and any of the 5 major products
    that are free, which ONE would you pick? I can't think of any
    knowledgeable honest person that would pick the MSRT over the others on
    the market.

    As I've said, with thousands of computers, in my experience, the MSRT
    has been useless at helping clean computers of infected people.
     
    Leythos, Dec 3, 2008
    #82
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  3. From: "Richard Urban" <>

    | No program is going to remove **ALL** the malware on a machine. You are
    | holding M/S to much higher standards than any company is able to attain.
    | Please show me a program that will do what you expect MRT to do!

    | Quote from you: You can test this yourself - take a infected machine,
    | something simple,
    | 20-30 trojans and other things, run the MSRT, then go back and run other
    | major tools, you WILL find that the MSRT missed a LOT.

    | A hunter goes out into the woods with the intention of harvesting 6
    | squirrels, 4 rabbits , a pheasant and a coyote. After 6 hours in the woods
    | he gets all of this game.

    | He didn't shoot a deer. Does that make him a bad hunter - when he didn't set
    | out to bag a deer?

    Good scenario.
    But, if we look at Jo-Anne's case of a Vundo infection, the hunter, with the intent of
    bagging 6 squirrels, 4 rabbits , a pheasant and a coyote came home empty handed.
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 3, 2008
    #83
  4. I have never said that the MRT is great. I have just said (consistently in
    this thread) that it is just another tool in a layers arsenal of removal
    tools.

    You are saying that it is worthless. HARDLY!
     
    Richard Urban, Dec 3, 2008
    #84
  5. So the hunter eats oatmeal for supper today! (-:
     
    Richard Urban, Dec 3, 2008
    #85
  6. Jeepn

    Leythos Guest

    Bad scenario, you're looking at it from the MS side instead of the
    customers side.

    Try this on for a scenario:

    Hunter is HUNGRY, goes into woods, find raspberries doesn't see all of
    the Deer, Pheasant, Rabbits, nuts, etc....

    Hunter comes home with just raspberries and claims it was good adventure
    to his family, they go mostly hungry because he missed all of the real
    food.

    The Hunter wanted food (a clean machine), but the hunter missed all of
    the obvious food types and only focused on 1 item for some unknown
    reason, and the hunter also missed that he could have setup traps,
    studied the land, taken friends, etc.... So, in effect, the hunter is
    next to worthless as a hunter, he missed the OBVIOUS.
     
    Leythos, Dec 4, 2008
    #86
  7. Again, you are implying that the Microsoft MRT should catch everything. Why
    do you think so.

    I admit it would be nice if I could find ANY single program that would catch
    everything! But, it isn't about to happen!
     
    Richard Urban, Dec 4, 2008
    #87
  8. From: "Leythos" <>



    | Bad scenario, you're looking at it from the MS side instead of the
    | customers side.

    | Try this on for a scenario:

    | Hunter is HUNGRY, goes into woods, find raspberries doesn't see all of
    | the Deer, Pheasant, Rabbits, nuts, etc....

    | Hunter comes home with just raspberries and claims it was good adventure
    | to his family, they go mostly hungry because he missed all of the real
    | food.

    | The Hunter wanted food (a clean machine), but the hunter missed all of
    | the obvious food types and only focused on 1 item for some unknown
    | reason, and the hunter also missed that he could have setup traps,
    | studied the land, taken friends, etc.... So, in effect, the hunter is
    | next to worthless as a hunter, he missed the OBVIOUS.



    You're beating this subject matter to death !
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 4, 2008
    #88
  9. Jeepn

    Leythos Guest

    The MS poster claimed it was a great product and posted stats that
    didn't not reflect the true ability of the product - that's why.
     
    Leythos, Dec 5, 2008
    #89
  10. Jeepn

    Leythos Guest

    Yea, but when sitting here installing Server 2008 and SQL on 4 servers
    it's a little boring :)
     
    Leythos, Dec 5, 2008
    #90
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