Anti-Spyware Forums


Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes

Arrogance Punished -OR- The Scourge of thanatoid -OR- I'm "fooqué" (as they say in Montreal)... IOW... HELP!!!

 
 
thanatoid
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      28-07-2010, 09:03 PM
Well, it took almost 20 years but it finally happened. It's
amazing what a small batch file (maybe not so small - it has
vaporized... read on) can do.

Those bored with my gargantuan posts can just skim over most of
it (please read the SUMMARY paragraphs), but I would really
appreciate specific answers to the four numbered questions, as
well as general advice. (My KF is disabled, so go for it,
denizens of aforementioned ;-)

Using Compaq EVO-D510 SFF. One 80GB HD, one CD burner, a riser
card with two horizontal PCI slots, and (re: a post from a
couple of months ago) the Compaq BIOS does not allow for more
than one device per IDE channel, I checked - relevance below.

I was running 98SELite, as always, using Opera, on two or three
sites requiring javascript etc. - otherwise I would have been
using OffByOne and this /probably/ would NOT have happened.

The firewall was on, of course, but the ESET internet
monitor/file monitor were /not/, as I do not believe that is
REALLY necessary - I /may/ have to reconsider that position ;-[

Script sentry was on, but it does nothing with batch files, just
scripts of all kinds. And it works great.

>>>SUMMARY (2 paragraphs)


So, everything was fine, when all of a sudden my mouse and
keyboard became possessed.

Basically, it was like the left and right mouse buttons and Ctl
and Alt keys were being randomly activated, FAST. I turned off
the ADSL modem, and ran TaskInfo. There was a batch file in my
temp (either c:\temp or C:\win\temp) directory which was NOT
supposed to be there. It was running. I shut down the machine. I
can't remember the file's exact name, but it was short, 5 or so
letters, no weird numbers or figures.

Boring (yet important if you don't want to ask about stuff I
*already DID*) details:

When I restarted, the same thing was happening. (And it remains
the current situation, although one might say the virus is /less
active/ than it was (as if it had a built-in downward slope).
But the machine is unusable, plus, while the virus appears
fairly non-malignant, just annoying (ALL user control is NOT
affected, you just have to click and move the mouse a lot - and
fast, to get in between the virus activity bursts) - who knows
what it will do next? So far my data appears intact [AOT the
system] but FUD are definitely having a big party at the lair of
thanatoid at the moment.

So after the reboot, I ran TaskInfo again - no batch file
running.

I searched for batch files on the C: drive and only found the
few I wrote myself and have always had. /Nothing new./

I ran Restoration (still the only undelete program that is not
5-20 MB and actually works BETTER than any of /those/),
searching for a bat file, nothing. I thought the file might have
deleted itself after doing whatever it was supposed to do. It
must have, since it is NOWHERE to be found, deleted or present.

I rebooted, deleted the swap file in DOS, and rebooted again.
Virus still active.

I thought, OK, I'll reboot to XP - XP should be OK, right? Same
thing. Then I realized XP reads several files on C. Then I tried
to boot Damn Small Linux into memory, it would not (I /have/
successfully run it in the past).

I went back to 98, and, since I just happened to update the ESET
NOD32 signatures a couple of hours earlier, I ran it. The virus
seemed to be paused by ESET running, but while ESET scans boot
sectors and all memory, as well as everything else, it found
nothing.

I went back to XP and ran MalwareBytes Anti-Malware (or whatever
it's called - I only see 8.3 names now...) - nothing on either
C: or the XP partition. While running MBAM, virus activity
appeared to pause as well.

To make a long story a /little/ shorter, I removed the battery,
cleared the CMOS (several times, different hard- and soft-
methods), first restored an old saved MBR, then (when that did
not help) created a new MBR, and finally restored an Acronis
image after moving current C: data to another partition.

I should mention that the virus /appears/ inactive in DOS. Well,
who knows - but nothing weird /seems/ to be happening AFAICT.

Well, when the restored Acronis image (which I believe contains
the MBR in the first sector - I am extremely ignorant about some
basics) exhibited exactly the same behavior, I started thinking
WHAT the damn thing could have infected ELSEWHERE than the HD...
Unless it is hidden /somewhere/ and ****s up the MBR every time
I boot - I don't know much about viruses and what they are
capable of.

I tried Damn Small Linux again - this time it DID boot and ran
in memory...

Get ready for this...

Sigh...

DSL /appeared to exhibit/ - although to a CONSIDERABLY smaller
degree - a little of the SAME behavior - a DOS-like window
(whatever they're called in Linux) would highlight some lines of
the window depending on mouse movement, and I /think/ a menu or
two popped up without any clicking on my part. And the mouse
appeared to be malfunctioning. (OTOH, having only ran DSL a
couple of times before, and for a VERY short period of time, and
already being in a somewhat altered state of mind, my perception
/may/ have been mistaken - I don't know.)

So...

Having never had to deal with this kind of thing before (I got a
virus in a POP email once, but it could not do anything, maybe
because I had all scripting disabled at the time - it was hell
to remove though), I thought the following:

>>>QUESTION 1. It could not have messed up the processor -

first, I do not believe that is /possible/, second, DOS seems to
run fine.

>>>QUESTION 2. AFAIK, the level1 and level2 caches clear upon a

reboot, just like RAM does. I considered whether a batch file
could alter properties of RAM and stay in it ANYWAY, but I do
NOT believe that is possible. Also, there are NO RAM cleaning
utilities on the Hiren's disk which would lead me to believe RAM
is irrelevant as long as one reboots.

>>>QUESTION 3. Since I wiped the CMOS/BIOS (I still do NOT

understand the difference between them, although some people
have tried to explain to me), and have restored (a few times)
and then /written/ a new MBR, PLUS restored a perfect Acronis C:
image, I have NO idea where this damn thing is living.

I have the option of removing the CD burner, deleting all the
root files on the /current/ booting 80GB drive ("drive Z") using
XTreeGold, putting drive Z on the CD drive's IDE channel, and
putting in my old 40GB ("drive X") on the other - booting - IDE
channel. (I believe I don't have to physically move the Z drive,
just deleting all c:\root files will make the machine boot from
the X drive, but just in case...)

BUT - since what is happening is quite inexplicable, I am afraid
of contaminating my X drive. If the virus /is/ somewhere on the
Z drive, and neither ESET nor AntiMalware can find it, I would
imagine it is quite capable of infecting the X drive even if the
computer boots from the X drive and the virus is somewhere on Z
which one would /think/ would then just contain data - and a
disabled OS (well, two disabled OS's 98SELite and XPSP3).

Further infection /might not happen/ if I just use a LFN utility
in DOS and copy stuff to the other HD, or copy to Flash drives
using a DOS USB driver from Hiren's, but then again it MIGHT.
IOW - ATM I am afraid to put the X drive on the other IDE
channel or use Flash sticks.

No one likes this kind of stuff, even I am no exception... I am
VERY seriously considering running BeOS/Haiti or some Linux [for
all internet access, but ultimately for everything, possibly]
from a flash stick (fortunately, my BIOS allows booting from a
USB device) but ATM I am not putting /anything/ in the possessed
computer.

[Although - apart from the indignity and misery of being screwed
and humbled in my arrogance - I have really enjoyed being
internet-free for a few days... Do y'all think internet use
might be addictive? ;-#)

(I spent an enjoyable 6 hours destroying a fourth old phone in
two years while trying to fix it. Soldering isn't as easy at 55
as it was at 25... But getting soldering iron /burns/ sure is...
Fortunately I know about the "run for the freezer and press the
burn against something at -18° Celsius" instant cure.)]

But I digress...

I have /heard/ of viruses which resulted in "the entire computer
going in the trash" but I am not ready to accept that - although
I might /have/ to accept it /eventually/.

>>>QUESTION 4:

IF the infected computer /is/ history, and I build a new one and
using a Linux version which can read FAT32 Windows partitions,
copy various standard format data from the infected HD into
Linux - I am risk free, aren't I?

I am sorry this was so long but I thought I might as well
provide ALL the information I could think of.

I am writing this on my trusty 1997-built PI 166MHz running 95B
and sending it via a 33.6 modem.

I will do some Googling and look around some security sites but
I thought I might as well humbly ask for suggestions.

IOW...

P L E A S E H E L P!


--
You know, that viruses never really sleep
And that hackers never blink their eyes
And that, you know, cats are the only ones who blush
And that the ****in' web... is just to die
- thanatoid (with /profound/ apologies to Lou Reed)
 
Reply With Quote
 
 
 
 
David H. Lipman
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      28-07-2010, 09:28 PM
From: "thanatoid" <(E-Mail Removed)>

| Well, it took almost 20 years but it finally happened. It's
| amazing what a small batch file (maybe not so small - it has
| vaporized... read on) can do.

< snip >

Can you PLEASE boil this post down to only the facts.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp


 
Reply With Quote
 
 
 
 
Virus Guy
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      28-07-2010, 10:51 PM
thanatoid wrote:

(...)

Why did you multi-post this to a win-98 group? Are you not capable of
cross-posting?

Where else did you multi-post this to?
 
Reply With Quote
 
David H. Lipman
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      28-07-2010, 11:16 PM
From: "Virus Guy" <(E-Mail Removed)>

| thanatoid wrote:

| (...)

| Why did you multi-post this to a win-98 group? Are you not capable of
| cross-posting?

| Where else did you multi-post this to?

Many groups !

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp


 
Reply With Quote
 
David H. Lipman
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      29-07-2010, 12:44 AM
From: "Manatee Memories" <(E-Mail Removed)>


>>| Where else did you multi-post this to?


>>Many groups !


| Time, perhaps, to k/f thanatoid for a . . . . day (week?)?

Well I'd like to see his post shortened to just the pertinent facts and then lets see
what's going on.


--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp


 
Reply With Quote
 
David H. Lipman
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      29-07-2010, 12:45 AM
From: "Manatee Memories" <(E-Mail Removed)>

| On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:03:13 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid
| <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote, by way of
| <Xns9DC3A324D1FA6thanexit@81.169.183.62>, in alt.comp.virus -->::

>>Well, it took almost 20 years but it finally happened.


| <MASSIVE flush>

| Next time, could you _not_ multi-post that carp? Please?

You you prefer multi-posting bass ? :-)


--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp


 
Reply With Quote
 
thanatoid
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      29-07-2010, 07:50 AM
Virus Guy <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> thanatoid wrote:
>
> (...)
>
> Why did you multi-post this to a win-98 group? Are you not
> capable of cross-posting?


It would seem not, read on...

> Where else did you multi-post this to?


Sigh... I apologize - but IME eternalseptember will not process
cross-posted messages. It would /not/ send them on the two
occasions I tried it previously.

Only 4 groups: 24hr, m.p.w98.gen_discussion, and a.c.i.virus-
worm - plus this one, of course.

Now, about my problem... ;-)


--
You know, that viruses never really sleep
And that hackers never blink their eyes
And that, you know, cats are the only ones who blush
And that the ****in' web... is just to die
- thanatoid (with /profound/ apologies to Lou Reed)
 
Reply With Quote
 
thanatoid
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      29-07-2010, 07:51 AM
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> From: "Virus Guy" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>
>| thanatoid wrote:
>
>| (...)
>
>| Why did you multi-post this to a win-98 group? Are you
>| not capable of cross-posting?
>
>| Where else did you multi-post this to?
>
> Many groups !


C'mon - 3 is MANY?


--
You know, that viruses never really sleep
And that hackers never blink their eyes
And that, you know, cats are the only ones who blush
And that the ****in' web... is just to die
- thanatoid (with /profound/ apologies to Lou Reed)
 
Reply With Quote
 
thanamultitoid
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      29-07-2010, 07:52 AM
Manatee Memories <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:16:48 -0400, "David H. Lipman"
> <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote, by way of
> <(E-Mail Removed)>, in alt.comp.virus -->::
>
>>From: "Virus Guy" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>
>>| thanatoid wrote:
>>
>>| (...)
>>
>>| Why did you multi-post this to a win-98 group? Are you
>>| not capable of cross-posting?
>>
>>| Where else did you multi-post this to?
>>
>>Many groups !

>
> Time, perhaps, to k/f thanatoid for a . . . . day (week?)?


Feel free. You won't be the first. (I appreciate you not
capitalizing my name.)

Read earlier replies in thread about WHY I multi-posted.


--
You know, that viruses never really sleep
And that hackers never blink their eyes
And that, you know, cats are the only ones who blush
And that the ****in' web... is just to die
- thanatoid (with /profound/ apologies to Lou Reed)
 
Reply With Quote
 
thanatoid
Guest
Posts: n/a

 
      29-07-2010, 08:04 AM
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> From: "Manatee Memories" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>
>>>| Where else did you multi-post this to?

>
>>>Many groups !

>
>| Time, perhaps, to k/f thanatoid for a . . . . day (week?)?
>
> Well I'd like to see his post shortened to just the
> pertinent facts and then lets see what's going on.


I have seen SO many posts where there are 1 or 2 paragraphs, and
ALL they get as replies is a list of 2-30 questions about
details which were /not/ provided, so I felt I should provide
ALL the information. The only thing I forgot - but which was
probably obvious - is that TaskInfo would not allow me to kill
the batch file. So I powered down.

It's a pretty weird virus - especially to someone who has never
had one before - so I felt a full description was necessary.

As for "shortening", the OP contains two SUMMARY paragraphs, and
four questions/statements for reply/confirmation. They are
mentioned in the second paragraph of the OP, and copied below
for your convenience.

May I add that I am using the SAME keyboard, mouse and monitor
with this 166MHz machine right now, with a KVM switch. So there
are NO mechanical faults with the the mouse and keyboard (which
both occurred at the *exact same moment* as a batch file out of
nowhere was running), as about 5 people have suggested.

===
SUMMARY

So, everything was fine, when all of a sudden my mouse and
keyboard became possessed.

Basically, it was like the left and right mouse buttons and Ctl
and Alt keys were being randomly activated, FAST. I turned off
the ADSL modem, and ran TaskInfo. There was a batch file in my
temp (either c:\temp or C:\win\temp) directory which was NOT
supposed to be there. It was running. I shut down the machine. I
can't remember the file's exact name, but it was short, 5 or so
letters, no weird numbers or figures.

>>>QUESTION 1. It could not have messed up the processor -

first, I do not believe that is /possible/, second, DOS seems to
run fine.

>>>QUESTION 2. AFAIK, the level1 and level2 caches clear upon a

reboot, just like RAM does. I considered whether a batch file
could alter properties of RAM and stay in it ANYWAY, but I do
NOT believe that is possible. Also, there are NO RAM cleaning
utilities on the Hiren's disk which would lead me to believe RAM
is irrelevant as long as one reboots.

>>>QUESTION 3. Since I wiped the CMOS/BIOS (I still do NOT

understand the difference between them, although some people
have tried to explain to me), and have restored (a few times)
and then /written/ a new MBR, PLUS restored a perfect Acronis C:
image, I have NO idea where this damn thing is living.

>>>QUESTION 4:

IF the infected computer /is/ history, and I build a new one and
using a Linux version which can read FAT32 Windows partitions,
copy various standard format data from the infected HD into
Linux - I am risk free, aren't I?
===

Thank you and again, I apologize for the multi-post.

--
You know, that viruses never really sleep
And that hackers never blink their eyes
And that, you know, cats are the only ones who blush
And that the ****in' web... is just to die
- thanatoid (with /profound/ apologies to Lou Reed)
 
Reply With Quote
 
 
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
updates...do they or don't they? Manfred Security Software 8 22-11-2005 05:23 AM
Several ways you can delete a large avi file, and other files that might say they are in use. Dustin Cook Anti-Virus 228 18-11-2005 04:08 PM
They are not sending out the virus that looks like it came from Microsoft now! They changed it Ghostmaster Anti-Virus 1 05-02-2004 04:04 PM
Newtonknows.com May Know More Than You Want!, Expose of Arrogance! webhelper Spyware 0 24-09-2003 10:17 AM


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:14 AM.